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Before we get to the ‘next level’ of the Top 25 debate with the as-always-wonderful Keith Arnold of NBC, I wanted to lay this out there:

The views expressed on HLS’ behalf by DMQ are DMQ’s views and his views alone. They do not represent the opinions or views of The Biscuit or PootND, or HLS as an institution.

Heh. Institution.

Really, this activity is DMQ’s. That said, I think the outrage is a bit overblown. He doesn’t need me to defend him, but I think you all need to recognize a few things. 1) Everything DMQ says is with a smirk on his face, and especially anything he says on this site or on his HLS Twitter account. Literally everything. He proposed to his wife and he was kind of joking (but not really. but kind of) 2) He is coming at this with a different definition of what a “Top Player” is than most of you. Figure that out, and you’ll likely get his list a bit better. 3) It’s a freaking off-season list to give us all something to do. Keep that in perspective before you actually get upset about it. coughcoughpootcough.

That said, a few things on what would have been my list had I participated: 1) Crist would’ve been Top 20, but barely. High Teens. 2) Ruffer would’ve been Top 10 for sure, probably 6 or 7ish. 3) LNIII wouldn’t have been on the list, only because he simply cannot be quantified. 4) Teo would’ve probably been my #1. 5) Aaron Lynch wouldn’t have made my list. He’s probably somewhere in the 30’s. He could be up there come season-end, but the coaches have said he’ll be situational for the most part, and I think you have to be a regular contributor/starter to get the nod here.

Anyway, just jumping in here for a second before the whole world explodes.

Carry on.

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Don't take me, yourself, or life so seriously. This is supposed to be fun.

Biscuit co-founded HerLoyalSons in partnership with his ND roommate (Dillon Hall baby!), MQ, in 2006 and has been ranting about ND Football and everything Notre Dame since. He strongly believes in the mission of ND and its football program. Biscuit expects logic and data in arguments and will absolutely crush you if you come to a debate missing one or the other. He despises everything Michigan, and his favorite pastime is mocking Purdue.

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  2. Trey

    So, i deleted my twitter account and must have missed something. People are literally UPSET about what mq said? Wtf? I dont even know mq personally, but even i can tell when he says wha he does, it’s never a vindictive thing or meant to be taken personal. Geeze guys, lay off the guy.

  3. KA

    I support Biscuit’s defense of MQ. Ruffer was a finalist for the Lou Groza. That’s Top 3 at his position, right? If that’s the only rationale used, I’d be fine with it.

    (For the record, I had Ruffer at No. 7)

    Really — any exercise like this, especially a subjective preseason list, is essentially a water cooler topic.

    Props to MQ for keeping it fresh. And making it much more fun to read my Twitter feed and watch Poot kill him for it.

  4. Casey

    I have to admit its been alot of fun watching people get upset about his list, so i thank you domer mq for at least making my work day more enjoyable.

  5. SDI

    Keep it coming MQ. A good respectful argument about ND players, coaches, and opponents is the whole purpose of this site in my opinion. That and the glorification of the all powerful LNIII.

  6. TLNDMA

    Finding out who his #1 was, made it all make sense. DMQ has man love for kickers. I have no idea how that could have started, anyone???

  7. SDI

    Here is my list:

    1. Floyd
    2. Teo
    3. G. Gray
    4. Z. Martin
    5. Wood
    6. H. Smith
    7. Blanton
    8. Eifert
    9. Ruffer
    10. KLM
    11. E. Johnson
    12. Fleming
    13. Shembo
    14. Crist
    15. Ridjohnson
    16. TJ Jones
    17. Cwynar
    18. Robinson
    19. Cave
    20. Rees
    21. Ragone
    22. Watt
    23. Motta
    24. Slaughter
    25. Bennett Jackson

  8. rocket89

    Ruffer at No. 1 is about 10 million times more believable and acceptable than Crist outside the top 25.

    That’s all I have to say.

    • Nate

      Crist isn’t allowed to have an agent yet, but you being tied to his success financially is the only reason I can see you being so worked up about this. It’s a list to pass time and generate discussion. GET OVER IT. If Crist doesn’t start, which is still a possibility, though one I don’t think is likely, then he shouldn’t be on the list. It’s one thing to disagree, but you act like he left off Joe Montana or Rocket Ismail. MQ decided to take a less safe, more debatable stance on things. He didn’t break into your house and kick your dog. Settle down.

      • Rocket89

        Haha ok Nate, thanks for the great tips.

        What’s funny is that I’ve been “debating” here about the picks…isn’t that why we’ve been doing it to “pass the time”?

        Are you telling me that this was just done to generate discussion, and then telling me not to discuss it?

        Weird.

        You’re right I disagreed with his placement of Crist, but I’m not that worked up about it. Forgive me for trying to inject some discussion into this—hey remember that’s why you said we’re doing it!!

        And although I think it’s kind of lame that DMQ can take the “I say everything with a smirk on my face” route, literally no one wanted to actually debate the issue.

        That’s what irked me. Everyone was fine with just turning it into a Rees sucks, Rees is awesome, Crist sucks, Crist is awesome bunch of arguments…which really wasn’t what this should be about.

        That’s great that you should bring up “if Crist doesn’t start” he shouldn’t be ranked. I’m like Walter Sobchak and calmer than you are dude. I just want you or someone else to “discuss” why someone like Schwenke—someone who has never started at ND, maybe never will, and totaled 2 tackles last year—should be ranked ahead of Crist RIGHT NOW.

        If you want to debate that with me to pass the time, be my guest. Just be aware that your comment above isn’t gonna cut it cupcake.

        • The Biscuit

          My guess is that nate was reacting more to all the freaking than your particular comment.

          I think your point about Schwenke and the relative ranking is a good one. But I think it all goes back to definitions of ‘top players’.

          Oh, and Poot ripping doesnt count. He’s the intern and we generally just ignore him.

        • Nate

          Dude, discussion is one thing, but you’re treating DMQ’s comment like he said Pat Eilers was a better WR than Tim Brown, or that Sam Bowie was a better draft pick than Michael Jordan. You ARE worked up about it–go back and read your posts. Writing 11 paragraph posts and using phrases like “beyond ridiculous” don’t exude calm. Calling DMQ the “trolliest of trolls” doesn’t exude rationality.

          I don’t want to debate anything, because *GASP* I don’t CARE one way or the other. I’m not watching practices, nor am I qualified to tell much of anything even if I were. Stats look pretty even, but Crist had less of a defense to work with and Kelly called plays to protect Rees, so he gets a slight nod there. Rees, on the other hand, QB’d four wins, even if much of that isn’t attributable to him. I can see a case made for either. Spring didn’t reveal much. Fall camp might, but bottom line whoever Kelly picks as the starter, I’m going to support. Eventually I want to see Golson get a shot, as I think he’ll be our version of Oregon’s QB this past year. It’s not going to happen this year, though. Crist never showed me that he had “gotten” it, that he grasped what reads he should be making and that he’d ever be a good QB in Kelly’s system. Perhaps a chance to sit and observe and some maturity over the course of the offseason changes that, and if it does, great. I’m not invested in any of these guys, so I find it hard to get worked up about it to the point I’m going to call someone a troll and ridiculous. “Ridiculous” is what I would call getting worked up over it when there’s no clear evidence one way or the other who should be the starter. Also, calling someone “cupcake” is pretty ridiculous, too. What, are you 12? In your own words, you’re “better than this”.

          • rocket89

            You still don’t get it do you?

            It’s not about who is going to be starter!

            Crap, I put Rees at No. 16 on my list which was higher than everyone on the panel except DMQ!

            No, he didn’t say Eilers was better than Brown, he said Schwenke was better than Crist.

            I stand by everything I said without regret, because I’m making completely valid points—points you aren’t addressing at all, but instead accusing me of getting too worked up about it.

            Please.

            All DMQ did to back up his snubbing of Crist was to say basically he lost to Navy and Rees has some better stats. I know he didn’t take it too serious, but it was pretty ridiculous nonetheless.

            I mean I don’t get it…why is it so hard to understand why people think putting Schwenke ahead of Crist is a troll-like statement? You’re mad at me for pointing that out and then not backing up your argument with anything of substance, and topping it with a nice heaving pile of “I don’t care.”

            I can see a case made for both Crist and Rees, that’s why they’re both inside my Top 25 and ahead of a guy who might not even break the two-deep in 2011.

            I don’t see what leg you have to stand on now, do you? I really don’t care that you think I’m worked up…it’s not the point (just like who’s going to start isn’t) and if I was, so what? Why does it bother you so much?

            Unless you care to explain to me why Schwenke should be ranked ahead of Crist, then don’t bother responding.

          • Nate

            Cheers, dude. I’m not backing up any argument or addressing your points because as I said, I don’t have any argument to make. You go right ahead and make your points, I’m glad you enjoy it. I’m going to go back to simply wishing the season was here so we can move past the pointless arguing.

  9. Rocket89

    Also, a member of DMQ’s own blog was apparently ripping on him for the Crist pick. But I’m WAY out of line for doing it too, huh?

  10. kyndfan

    What’s a twitter?
    LNIII can be quantified. Simply multiply his current weight by infinity, since every single pound of LNIII is infinately awesome.
    Good discussion. Is it September 3rd yet?

  11. Brad

    You know, I hear all this chatter about people being upset with DMQ’s list (which I find hilarious), but what everyone is failing to notice is that ALL THESE LISTS ARE WRONG.

    Here is the correct ND Top 25.

    1. LNIII
    2. LNIII
    3. LNIII
    4. LNIII
    5. LNIII
    6. LNIII
    7. LNIII
    8. LNIII
    9. LNIII
    10. LNIII
    11. LNIII
    12. LNIII
    13. LNIII
    14. LNIII
    15. LNIII
    16. LNIII
    17. LNIII
    18. LNIII
    19. LNIII
    20. Michael Floyd
    21. LNIII
    22. LNIII
    23. LNIII
    24. Manti Te’o
    25. LNIII

      • Trey

        I just watched a highlight of 2010. I found mysekf thinking, this is nice, but next year, this video is just going to be 3:00 of a still pic of LNIII standing over a vanquished Denard Robinson

    • Nate

      I’m shocked, SHOCKED that you left LNIII out of the #20 spot. This is a travesty. You should be ashamed of yourself. And you call yourself a fan.