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	Comments on: Checking the Narrative: Notre Dame and Field Turf	</title>
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		By: trey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[trey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2014/02/11/notre-dame-field-turf-offense-checking-the-narrative/#comment-256499&quot;&gt;Irishane&lt;/a&gt;.

This is good stuff, and I&#039;m wondering now specifically if there is a higher or lower occurrence of hamstring injury on field turf or grass. I initially thought with you about the knees and ankles being a bellwether for this discussion, but Hamites too, could be a factor.

In the end, though, the grass we have looks like spit, so I&#039;m all on board to rip it out and put in the turf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2014/02/11/notre-dame-field-turf-offense-checking-the-narrative/#comment-256499">Irishane</a>.</p>
<p>This is good stuff, and I&#8217;m wondering now specifically if there is a higher or lower occurrence of hamstring injury on field turf or grass. I initially thought with you about the knees and ankles being a bellwether for this discussion, but Hamites too, could be a factor.</p>
<p>In the end, though, the grass we have looks like spit, so I&#8217;m all on board to rip it out and put in the turf</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2014 03:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2014/02/11/notre-dame-field-turf-offense-checking-the-narrative/#comment-256508&quot;&gt;dorny&lt;/a&gt;.

Rockne wanted turf but had to settle for grass because turf wasn&#039;t invented yet.  

The priority is to be on par with (or better than) the best, and the surface in Notre Dame Stadium simply hasn&#039;t been living up to that standard.  Despite all the nostalgia for the 20th Century - and, boy, was it a good century for Notre Dame football - let&#039;s move into the 21st.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2014/02/11/notre-dame-field-turf-offense-checking-the-narrative/#comment-256508">dorny</a>.</p>
<p>Rockne wanted turf but had to settle for grass because turf wasn&#8217;t invented yet.  </p>
<p>The priority is to be on par with (or better than) the best, and the surface in Notre Dame Stadium simply hasn&#8217;t been living up to that standard.  Despite all the nostalgia for the 20th Century &#8211; and, boy, was it a good century for Notre Dame football &#8211; let&#8217;s move into the 21st.</p>
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		By: Irish Elvis (@IrishElvis)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Irish Elvis (@IrishElvis)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 23:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2014/02/11/notre-dame-field-turf-offense-checking-the-narrative/#comment-256508&quot;&gt;dorny&lt;/a&gt;.

C&#039;mon people, it&#039;s right there in the name: God, Country, Notre Dame Grass Field. I don&#039;t understand why this is so difficult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2014/02/11/notre-dame-field-turf-offense-checking-the-narrative/#comment-256508">dorny</a>.</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon people, it&#8217;s right there in the name: God, Country, Notre Dame Grass Field. I don&#8217;t understand why this is so difficult.</p>
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		By: NDtex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NDtex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 23:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2014/02/11/notre-dame-field-turf-offense-checking-the-narrative/#comment-256508&quot;&gt;dorny&lt;/a&gt;.

Classrooms, student centers, labs, music halls, dining areas, faculty offices, and more that doesn&#039;t require specific weather and soil conditions to function?

I mean, if you want ND to focus on growing a 120 x 53.3 yard patch of grass, I guess that&#039;s cool.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2014/02/11/notre-dame-field-turf-offense-checking-the-narrative/#comment-256508">dorny</a>.</p>
<p>Classrooms, student centers, labs, music halls, dining areas, faculty offices, and more that doesn&#8217;t require specific weather and soil conditions to function?</p>
<p>I mean, if you want ND to focus on growing a 120 x 53.3 yard patch of grass, I guess that&#8217;s cool.</p>
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		By: dorny		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 23:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Turf in a historic stadium. You people are losing your minds.  7 games a year and they can&#039;t grow grass, but can spend 400 million on buildings.  Funny where the priorities are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turf in a historic stadium. You people are losing your minds.  7 games a year and they can&#8217;t grow grass, but can spend 400 million on buildings.  Funny where the priorities are.</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We are surely moving to turf - ol&#039; Swarbrick is just being coy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are surely moving to turf &#8211; ol&#8217; Swarbrick is just being coy.</p>
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		By: NDtex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NDtex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2014/02/11/notre-dame-field-turf-offense-checking-the-narrative/#comment-256505&quot;&gt;Mark G&lt;/a&gt;.

From what I have seen on other fields with turf (my high school and Big House) that I&#039;ve been on, the crowning is consistent. Particularly you will need that for proper drainage as well so water runs down to sidelines]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2014/02/11/notre-dame-field-turf-offense-checking-the-narrative/#comment-256505">Mark G</a>.</p>
<p>From what I have seen on other fields with turf (my high school and Big House) that I&#8217;ve been on, the crowning is consistent. Particularly you will need that for proper drainage as well so water runs down to sidelines</p>
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		By: Mark G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 19:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unless a new grass field includes a heating system, it will become increasingly difficult to keep a healthy grass field growing from mid-October into November.  The days get cooler, but perhaps the bigger impact is that the days let shorter and the sun gets lower.  Putting aside South Bend&#039;s seemingly perma-clouds, less direct sun-light is able to hit all of the grass field.  


The last stadium expansion exacerbated this issue, raising the height of the outside walls and making it more difficult for direct sunlight to reach the field.  Adding 3 new buildings on the east, west and particularly the south sides of the stadium as part of the cross-roads project will cast long shadows on the grass as the days get shorter.  Remember - the sun is only as strong on October 21 as it is on February 21.


There is a way to run a heating system under the grass field (along with much, much better drainage), to heat the field to a fairly constant temperature through October and November.  It is not inexpensive but the technology is not all that new or difficult.


What I do not know is if a field turf field has to be less crowned than a grass field.  If you have been on our field know what I mean - if you are sitting on one sideline you cannot see the feet of the people on the other sideline because the field is crowned from the middle of the field to the sidlines.  The crowning from the middle to each end zone appears even more severe - a runner running to an endzone is literally running down hill.  I know this is true on every field, but do not know is the crowning is any less severe with field turf.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless a new grass field includes a heating system, it will become increasingly difficult to keep a healthy grass field growing from mid-October into November.  The days get cooler, but perhaps the bigger impact is that the days let shorter and the sun gets lower.  Putting aside South Bend&#8217;s seemingly perma-clouds, less direct sun-light is able to hit all of the grass field.  </p>
<p>The last stadium expansion exacerbated this issue, raising the height of the outside walls and making it more difficult for direct sunlight to reach the field.  Adding 3 new buildings on the east, west and particularly the south sides of the stadium as part of the cross-roads project will cast long shadows on the grass as the days get shorter.  Remember &#8211; the sun is only as strong on October 21 as it is on February 21.</p>
<p>There is a way to run a heating system under the grass field (along with much, much better drainage), to heat the field to a fairly constant temperature through October and November.  It is not inexpensive but the technology is not all that new or difficult.</p>
<p>What I do not know is if a field turf field has to be less crowned than a grass field.  If you have been on our field know what I mean &#8211; if you are sitting on one sideline you cannot see the feet of the people on the other sideline because the field is crowned from the middle of the field to the sidlines.  The crowning from the middle to each end zone appears even more severe &#8211; a runner running to an endzone is literally running down hill.  I know this is true on every field, but do not know is the crowning is any less severe with field turf.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 17:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Give BK the turf he wants for the team. They spend cash on expansion of the school,so let&#039;s upgrade the field that doesn&#039;t hold up for only 5 of 6 games a year, that should be enough evidence..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give BK the turf he wants for the team. They spend cash on expansion of the school,so let&#8217;s upgrade the field that doesn&#8217;t hold up for only 5 of 6 games a year, that should be enough evidence..</p>
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		By: NDtex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NDtex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2014/02/11/notre-dame-field-turf-offense-checking-the-narrative/#comment-256501&quot;&gt;Bayou Irish&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, that&#039;s generally why I&#039;m in the &quot;it&#039;s all cosmetic&quot; camp. I think there is nothing more beautiful than a well manicured grass field, but if that isn&#039;t possible at ND for whatever reason, then to hell with it.

But then again, I haven&#039;t run the defensive numbers yet, so maybe I&#039;ll be swayed!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2014/02/11/notre-dame-field-turf-offense-checking-the-narrative/#comment-256501">Bayou Irish</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s generally why I&#8217;m in the &#8220;it&#8217;s all cosmetic&#8221; camp. I think there is nothing more beautiful than a well manicured grass field, but if that isn&#8217;t possible at ND for whatever reason, then to hell with it.</p>
<p>But then again, I haven&#8217;t run the defensive numbers yet, so maybe I&#8217;ll be swayed!</p>
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