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		By: borromini		</title>
		<link>https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2010/06/10/monk-manifesto/#comment-194610</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Being part of a conference will not change the identity of the University.&quot;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Being part of a conference will not change the identity of the University.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong&#8230;</p>
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		By: The Biscuit		</title>
		<link>https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2010/06/10/monk-manifesto/#comment-194375</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bubba, I can appreciate the perspective, but I do think it applies.  Monk&#039;s vision was for the school, not for football.  I agree his hiring/firing decisions sucked, but that doesnt mean all he did was bad.  This statement was a good thing.  And yes, as things stand today, it applies.  It could change, but right now I think it does.

And using this year as a scheduling example is bunk. I could just as easily point 2 years out when we will have the #1 SOS in the country with OK, etc on the sked and say that we shouldnt give that up.  Skeds go from good to bad to good to great and back again.  One year means little (but agree, it&#039;s a crappy year).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bubba, I can appreciate the perspective, but I do think it applies.  Monk&#8217;s vision was for the school, not for football.  I agree his hiring/firing decisions sucked, but that doesnt mean all he did was bad.  This statement was a good thing.  And yes, as things stand today, it applies.  It could change, but right now I think it does.</p>
<p>And using this year as a scheduling example is bunk. I could just as easily point 2 years out when we will have the #1 SOS in the country with OK, etc on the sked and say that we shouldnt give that up.  Skeds go from good to bad to good to great and back again.  One year means little (but agree, it&#8217;s a crappy year).</p>
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		By: Bubba Du Lac		</title>
		<link>https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2010/06/10/monk-manifesto/#comment-194369</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So you think a manifesto created 11+ years ago by the same person who allowed Bob Davie and Tyrone Willingham to be hired to guide our glorious football team into oblivion is relevant?  Things change...

Being part of a conference will not change the identity of the University.

As for traditions, I say it&#039;s about time we create some new ones.  The thought of playing Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan on an annual basis (along with USC) is very enticing.  Sure beats Western Michigan, Tulsa, and Nevada!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you think a manifesto created 11+ years ago by the same person who allowed Bob Davie and Tyrone Willingham to be hired to guide our glorious football team into oblivion is relevant?  Things change&#8230;</p>
<p>Being part of a conference will not change the identity of the University.</p>
<p>As for traditions, I say it&#8217;s about time we create some new ones.  The thought of playing Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan on an annual basis (along with USC) is very enticing.  Sure beats Western Michigan, Tulsa, and Nevada!</p>
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		By: The Biscuit		</title>
		<link>https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2010/06/10/monk-manifesto/#comment-194343</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rocket, I agree.  I don&#039;t buy a lot of the Televen estimates, as no one has confirmed them, but even if it&#039;s $22M/school, I dont think that&#039;s significantly more than ND gets from NBC.  Maybe a couple mil.  And that&#039;s TODAY.  As you note, things can change.  If the Televen has a channel, why can&#039;t ND?  Launching a cable net is difficult, but with the cooperation of the BE to get their non-rev sports and hoops on there, it could be viable (assuming there still is a BE).  So there are lots of ways that going with the B10 could, maybe, HURT ND revenue-wise in the long-run.  We dont have all the numbers so we dont know, but I dont think the gap today is all that big.  And when Kelly takes us to 10-2 this year, followed by 11-1 and 12-0 seasons, things could look a lot different anyway.  ND could be pulling in way more than $22M at that point.  The differences don&#039;t appear to be big enough to warrant making $ a key reason for change.  It&#039;s maybe one tiny factor far down a list, but I think it&#039;s tiny.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rocket, I agree.  I don&#8217;t buy a lot of the Televen estimates, as no one has confirmed them, but even if it&#8217;s $22M/school, I dont think that&#8217;s significantly more than ND gets from NBC.  Maybe a couple mil.  And that&#8217;s TODAY.  As you note, things can change.  If the Televen has a channel, why can&#8217;t ND?  Launching a cable net is difficult, but with the cooperation of the BE to get their non-rev sports and hoops on there, it could be viable (assuming there still is a BE).  So there are lots of ways that going with the B10 could, maybe, HURT ND revenue-wise in the long-run.  We dont have all the numbers so we dont know, but I dont think the gap today is all that big.  And when Kelly takes us to 10-2 this year, followed by 11-1 and 12-0 seasons, things could look a lot different anyway.  ND could be pulling in way more than $22M at that point.  The differences don&#8217;t appear to be big enough to warrant making $ a key reason for change.  It&#8217;s maybe one tiny factor far down a list, but I think it&#8217;s tiny.</p>
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		By: Rocket89		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really wonder what the difference is between Notre Dame and the Big Ten schools in terms of revenue.

Maybe they&#039;ll continue to earn a little more from expansion and through the BTN and stuff like that. But it&#039;s hard to imagine them really making a significant amount more than they already are.

On the flip side, we don&#039;t know how much Notre Dame makes. No one&#039;s really sure how much the NBC contract is for. If Forbes estimates that we&#039;re the second and sometimes first wealthiest program, then we must be making a substantial more profit than a school like Ohio State who has 10x the mouths to feed and people to pay. 

I think it was mentioned in the most recent Forbes rankings, that ND doesn&#039;t have stadium advertisements, and if they did it would bring in millions. 

Money just doesn&#039;t seem to be an issue. Is there any way to know the figures of merchandise sales? I have to believe that Notre Dame is still blowing away every other school in that department. There just seems to be so many more revenue streams that Notre Dame still rake in millions with (Merchandise &#038; Licensing fees most importantly).

And we&#039;re still doing this despite the worst 12-15 year stretch in school history. We may look back on this and know the 2005-2015 period was the high water mark for Big Ten revenue generation and ask ourselves if it was really worth the extra $8 million or whatever. 

It&#039;s a complicated issue and money is just one part, but I think it&#039;s pretty far back on the school&#039;s prioroty list right. 

Has lack of money prevented Notre Dame from fielding a winning team? And will it in the future? 

The answer is almost assuredly, no.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wonder what the difference is between Notre Dame and the Big Ten schools in terms of revenue.</p>
<p>Maybe they&#8217;ll continue to earn a little more from expansion and through the BTN and stuff like that. But it&#8217;s hard to imagine them really making a significant amount more than they already are.</p>
<p>On the flip side, we don&#8217;t know how much Notre Dame makes. No one&#8217;s really sure how much the NBC contract is for. If Forbes estimates that we&#8217;re the second and sometimes first wealthiest program, then we must be making a substantial more profit than a school like Ohio State who has 10x the mouths to feed and people to pay. </p>
<p>I think it was mentioned in the most recent Forbes rankings, that ND doesn&#8217;t have stadium advertisements, and if they did it would bring in millions. </p>
<p>Money just doesn&#8217;t seem to be an issue. Is there any way to know the figures of merchandise sales? I have to believe that Notre Dame is still blowing away every other school in that department. There just seems to be so many more revenue streams that Notre Dame still rake in millions with (Merchandise &amp; Licensing fees most importantly).</p>
<p>And we&#8217;re still doing this despite the worst 12-15 year stretch in school history. We may look back on this and know the 2005-2015 period was the high water mark for Big Ten revenue generation and ask ourselves if it was really worth the extra $8 million or whatever. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a complicated issue and money is just one part, but I think it&#8217;s pretty far back on the school&#8217;s prioroty list right. </p>
<p>Has lack of money prevented Notre Dame from fielding a winning team? And will it in the future? </p>
<p>The answer is almost assuredly, no.</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
		<link>https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2010/06/10/monk-manifesto/#comment-194306</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with you most of the way.  If the difference is only a rounding error, I agree, no reason to even consider changing from independent status.  But if the earnings potential is as much as TWICE as much?  I don&#039;t care how big the endowment currently is (again, different pot of money), $10-20 mil PER YEAR is nothing to shake a stick at.

I think what Monk said above was certainly right, especially in the time and place it was said.  But it&#039;s not absolute.  It may continue to be right.  But, also, it may not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you most of the way.  If the difference is only a rounding error, I agree, no reason to even consider changing from independent status.  But if the earnings potential is as much as TWICE as much?  I don&#8217;t care how big the endowment currently is (again, different pot of money), $10-20 mil PER YEAR is nothing to shake a stick at.</p>
<p>I think what Monk said above was certainly right, especially in the time and place it was said.  But it&#8217;s not absolute.  It may continue to be right.  But, also, it may not.</p>
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		By: The Biscuit		</title>
		<link>https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2010/06/10/monk-manifesto/#comment-194158</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[if we&#039;re no longer viable as an indie, of course there are money issues.  but, if the landscape doesnt go that way and we can remain viable, it doesnt necessarily mean that we should just go wherever the biggest checks are written.  and i disagree heartily (i wont puke this time) that that extra 15-20 million matters all that much (and, i think that&#039;s assuming a LOT - it could be much, much less when the dust settles) - the reason it doesnt matter that much is 1) the endowment is ginormous. you&#039;re right that the endowment doesnt mean we dont have to manage our revenues, but it gives us a luxury few other institutions have today - a backup plan and flexibility and 2) 10-20MM (again, it could be more like 3-5MM) isnt all that huge when it comes to our overall budget and financial abilities.  yes, if all else is equal i&#039;d rather have more money.   but no way would i sell our indie status for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if we&#8217;re no longer viable as an indie, of course there are money issues.  but, if the landscape doesnt go that way and we can remain viable, it doesnt necessarily mean that we should just go wherever the biggest checks are written.  and i disagree heartily (i wont puke this time) that that extra 15-20 million matters all that much (and, i think that&#8217;s assuming a LOT &#8211; it could be much, much less when the dust settles) &#8211; the reason it doesnt matter that much is 1) the endowment is ginormous. you&#8217;re right that the endowment doesnt mean we dont have to manage our revenues, but it gives us a luxury few other institutions have today &#8211; a backup plan and flexibility and 2) 10-20MM (again, it could be more like 3-5MM) isnt all that huge when it comes to our overall budget and financial abilities.  yes, if all else is equal i&#8217;d rather have more money.   but no way would i sell our indie status for it.</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[*altar

And sorry if that makes you need a doggie bag.]]></description>
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<p>And sorry if that makes you need a doggie bag.</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
		<link>https://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2010/06/10/monk-manifesto/#comment-194152</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Viability and money go hand in hand though -- assuming Notre Dame wants to compete at the highest levels and Notre Dame does.

Short answer to, if you have 15, 20 or 30 mil, do you want 30, 40 or 60?  Yes.  The endowment is not a credit card for subsidizing the football program; rather the football program MAKES money for academics and improvements to the school.  In this sense, the football program making as much money as possible is a huge positive.

Independence is desirous for all the reasons Fr. Malloy points out above AND because the money has been right.  I&#039;m not saying we have to worship at the alter of the Federal Reserve note, but let&#039;s also not kid ourselves about the importance of cold, hard cash.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viability and money go hand in hand though &#8212; assuming Notre Dame wants to compete at the highest levels and Notre Dame does.</p>
<p>Short answer to, if you have 15, 20 or 30 mil, do you want 30, 40 or 60?  Yes.  The endowment is not a credit card for subsidizing the football program; rather the football program MAKES money for academics and improvements to the school.  In this sense, the football program making as much money as possible is a huge positive.</p>
<p>Independence is desirous for all the reasons Fr. Malloy points out above AND because the money has been right.  I&#8217;m not saying we have to worship at the alter of the Federal Reserve note, but let&#8217;s also not kid ourselves about the importance of cold, hard cash.</p>
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		By: borromini		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JVH, even though Malloy&#039;s quote was from 1999 and therefore they were completely independent, it doesn&#039;t change the fact that when it comes to football...you are allowed to maintain the uniqueness of Independence because it was through football...specifically the boycott of football by the B10 that gave us our national identity via playing everyone else in the country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JVH, even though Malloy&#8217;s quote was from 1999 and therefore they were completely independent, it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that when it comes to football&#8230;you are allowed to maintain the uniqueness of Independence because it was through football&#8230;specifically the boycott of football by the B10 that gave us our national identity via playing everyone else in the country.</p>
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