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| February 2, 2012 at 2:10 pm #10103 | |
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Am I right that we are heading into spring ball with only 3 real cornerbacks – Shepard, Wood and Bennett? Obviously, a concern that none have ever started a college game and huge concern with lack of game experience. However, the big concern that jumps out at me is that there are only 3 guys on the roster who are true cornerbacks rather than safeties or nickle guys. Someone, please tell me I am wrong – would not be the first time today I have heard that – and I simply missed a couple of young corners on the roster. |
| February 2, 2012 at 2:14 pm #10105 | |
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I believe you are forgetting Josh Atkinson and Jalen Brown. Both were Freshman this past season. I believe Atkinson actually recorded a few tackles and got good special teams playing time. I don’t think Brown used any eligibility, but hopefully the fact that he was responsible for covering Michael Floyd every day in practice means that he can at least contribute as a “true” corner. Not sure who you consider simply “nickle guys” aside from maybe Collinsworth or Slaughter, both of whom can play safety rather than just in the nickle. |
| February 2, 2012 at 2:19 pm #10106 | |
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Whew! Thanks. My blood pressure is down a bit. Have heard good things about Brown from his scout play, and did see Atkinson on special teams. |
| February 2, 2012 at 2:57 pm #10107 | |
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So we enter next fall with 5 corners (2 juniors with limited playing experience at the position, 2 sophomores and 1 true freshman) and 9 safeties (2 of whom, Motta and Slaughter, have substantial playing experience, but 2 others will be sophomore recruited -walk-ons and 4 of whom will be true freshmen). Here’s hoping that these guys learn fast. |
| February 2, 2012 at 5:13 pm #10108 | |
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Don’t forget Collinsworth at safety, Mark. He’ll be a Junior. He saw some actual playing time late in the season. Who are the “sophomore recruited walk-ons” you refer to? Just regular walk-ons who are sophs? Eilar Hardy will be a soph, but he’s hardly a walk-on. I think as long as the young guys can step up and provide decent minutes, our backfield will be just fine (barring major injuries). Keep in mind that good pressure by our beasts up front can decrease the amount of time these guys need to cover anyone. The best cover corners in the league can’t hang with a guy for more than 4 or 5 seconds. All that said, I don’t disagree that another stud corner in this class would have gone a long way toward making me feel better about the future. |
| February 2, 2012 at 10:59 pm #10109 | |
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Don’t be surprised if Jalen Brown turns out to be an absolute stud at corner. He is reported to have loads of natural ability and with a year of seasoning under his belt he might be ready to roll. Just like everyone else I was hoping to land Darby, Poole, Wright, Standifer, etc. but I don’t think the numbers situation at CB is as bad some might think. I think Jackson and Atkinson will be ready to start, and if T. Shep, Brown, and Wood can step up when needed ND should be fine. Slaughter could also play corner in a pinch. |
| February 3, 2012 at 8:07 am #10110 | |
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I am worried about the cornerback position long term, and I think that obviously the biggest question going into next year will be A) how quickly can these corners improve and be ready to play against the bevy of great WRs we are going to see next year, and B) we have a massive need to nail 2-3 top flight corners next year. As long as they can coach up the kids we have, I think we’ll be ok for this year. Bennett, Wood, Brown, Atkinson, and Shepherd are all highly athletic kids who can come in play. The question is how fast they can build up their technique. For this season, I think we will probably see more a 4-2-5 look on passing downs rather than a true nickel. In a nickel, we have 3 corners and two safeties out on the field. In a 4-2-5, you put 2 corners, and 3 safeties (usually one true free safety, and two strong safeties who can drop into the box, or cover the slot). Diaco has used that 4-2-5 look a lot in the past, especially at the start of the 1st season, and towards the end of last season when Slaughter came on strong. I would expect that until we can see a third player really step up at the corner position and show competence, it is more likely that we’ll see 3 safeties on the field with either Collinsworth, Hardy, or one of the new guys in Procise or Shumate stepping in. I think it would be a lot easier to prepare a young athletic safety to drop down and play a lot of zone coverage over slot (flats, hooks, curls) in a physical manner than it would be to prepare a young corner to go in on nickel situations and play zone or man on the slot, and still be ready for the physical nature of runs in that area of the field. (Unless Shepherd shows himself to be so physically gifted that he is capable of doing that). If anything, at the start of the season, I would expect that we see Slaughter move down into that 5th spot in the slot like last year, and put Collinsworth or another safety back deep in zone coverage in a cover two. Thats probably the easiest thing to do unless somebody really surprises the staff. Slaughter understands the force/spill rules this defense uses on run plays better than anyone else, and in the slot he would have to know that. |
| February 3, 2012 at 8:58 am #10112 | |
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Brad, I think because of his experience and a lack of proven bodies behind him, Slaughter will need to be at one of the deep safety positions all season. It would be great if Collinsworth/Hardy/Shumate/??? surprised everyone and was able to contribute, but I think it will be more important to have Slaughter in the back next to Motta to keep an eye on the whole field. I understand that he truly turned it on as that slot defender, being great in the zone and even better in run support/getting after the QB, but I think he will ultimately need to play deep and be the leader of the secondary regardless of the defensive package in order to eliminate big plays. |
| February 3, 2012 at 10:11 am #10113 | |
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The two walk on safeties are Blake Breslau and Connor Cavalaris. I was wrong – Breslau will be a Senior next year. Cavalaris will be a sophomore. I know Cavalaris was what is called a “preferred walk-on”, and think Breslau meets that criteria as well, meaning they were recruited, started with the team the summer before Freshman year just like the scholarship guys, but do not have a scholarship, at least yet. Think Salvi. Some of these guys play themselves into a scholarship, but more importantly can be valuable contributors on special teams. Cavalaris is fast, with great lower body strength, so who knows. |
| February 3, 2012 at 11:50 am #10114 | |
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IrishLion, I didn’t mean that I think Slaughter would only play in the slot. There is no doubt he is on of the top two safeties on the team. What I meant was I would expect him to play a normal safety position when we are in a base 3-4 or 4-3 defense, and that if we went to 5 DBs by putting another corner or safety on the field, then it wouldn’t surprise me to see Diaco move Slaughter down to the slot area near the scrimmage in those 5 DB situations. Then if we went back to a base defense, see him move back to a normal safety spot and have the 5th DB taken off the field. The only reason I would assume that is that the first thing the young safeties will be doing is learning (or the redshirt frosh this year learned) the normal skills for their position, which in this defense is a lot of deep Cover Two zone coverage….the basic stuff. I think it may be easier to put someone like Collinsworth out at a normal deep safety spot doing the things he repped and learned to do last, rather than ask him to move up into the slot and keep containment on run plays, cover the slot receiver, blitz the QB, etc. I would imagine it would be far easier to ask a guy like Slaughter to know his responsibilities at deep safety and up in the slot, and how he fits into the defense in those places, than to bring in a young guy who spends his week practicing at deep safety and ask him to fill that role during games. Essentially, I think Slaughter could handle that mental transition easier, and it may be easier to teach a young guy how to do the basic deep coverage skills that he would already be working on. |
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