October 10, 2012 at 10:37 am #14832
The sports talk shows out of Louisville commented on how poorly Miami played this past week instead of giving ND credit. Yes, the canes should have scored on their first possession, but they didn’t come close after that. I get aggregated listening to it as well. When you rush for almost 400 yards on someone, you dominated them. The hate is prevalent and I think I’m learning to love it. Can’t wait to hear the excuses given for why we own the trees this week.You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
October 10, 2012 at 10:47 am #14833
The thing I don’t understand is that this seems to be beyond ND hate. It’s pure ignorance.
Other teams are very well hated, yet the talking points surrounding them are totally different than the ones you hear for Notre Dame.
Seriously, ND gets slammed for playing service academies, yet damn near every other BCS school schedules FCS schools regularly?! How does this even see the light of day?You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
October 10, 2012 at 11:37 am #14834
I think what we’re dealing with is an ever increasing fan base for sports. Lets face it, there were no where NEAR as many women watching football, hockey, baseball et al in 1995 than there are today. I just used women as an example, but the fan bases for most all sports has increased across the board, and with it come the lazy fact finders. Of course, this increase in fans also come with a GREAT deal of ignorance. I actually love when I hear commentators say “this crowd is very football smart”, or something to that affect, just because they know when to cheer (3rd and short in a one score game, genius). This bleeds to perceptions too. There are VERY few people that know ND football and Our Lady’s history like the ones that run this site, and a lot of its frequenters, myself included I’d like to believe. But seriously, even the pundits (Rick Reilly, even though he used to “love” ND, SHIT BRICK) at ESPN don’t get IT, when it comes to ND. That leaves us open to a lot of false perception, because it’s easier for them to just throw an uneducated opinion out there, and when enough people do that, it creates a “perception”. One thing they all have in common is not understanding one of the universal truths of sports. EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING works in cycles. Those that have a great foundation, and have had success atop it, will enjoy that success in cycles down the road. Those that don’t, usually won’t. Granted, there are exceptions to that rule, namely the service academies, but that’s a completely different topic on how they’ve gotten to be where they are. Good topic Tex.You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
October 10, 2012 at 11:59 am #14836
Well, not “getting it” in regards to ND, I can see. It’s more the perception of the state of the ND program in general that boggles my mind.
I can only assume people have just been beaten over the head with SEC for so long. After all, it practically appears as if that conference controls CBS and ESPN to the common fan. Even the B1G, I think has been able to get a bigger footprint thanks to the B1G Network as well as strategic scheduling of games.
ND’s usual broadcast slot is right in the middle of the headline CBS SEC game which has been pretty crippling of late, I think. While our away games always got a primetime slot, the broadcasting rights would vary so much based on our record, at times relegating us to ESPN2 instead of the national game on ABC.
I think ND is doing a much better job though as of late. The Shamrock Series gets us on primetime on NBC. We’ve had two home games under the lights as well. While we may still be going up against some great games, I still think it reaches out to a far larger audience.
Something like Trick Shot Monday taking off into the ESPN realm is pretty big as well. Te’o has gotten loads of hype in all the best ways.
I know 5-0 has a lot to do with it, but even Weis’ good years seemed to be put on the back-burner as far as the national picture went.You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
October 10, 2012 at 12:18 pm #14839
Agreed, the exposure, especially in “the best ways”, can and very well may change some of the perceptions. However, I too am a little confused as to how we’ve developed some of the perceptions that are, for the most part, negative. Maybe “confused” is the wrong word. I mean, I can see how some folks simply not doing their homework and putting their bent perception out there enough will ultimately be picked up and run with by others, but some of it is just ridiculous. Especially the “they only play service academies”. Do these people even know where to find SOS rankings? If so, do they bother to check them out, and the schedules of the schools in the top ten? Nah, it’s easier to just regurgitate what someone else said just to be on the hater bandwagon. The last one is really strange to me too. ND can’t recruit? Do you REALLY need to have a top 5 recruiting class every single year to prove that you’re a recruiting powerhouse? If that’s the case, there’s a ton of so called “elite” programs out there that absolutely CANNOT recruit, by that logic.
I’m loving the fact that, as you mentioned, trick shot Monday has taken off like it has. The Shamrock series is just getting bigger and bigger. I think some of this has to do with the uniforms, especially as “extreme” as they were this year. Fact is, I can’t wait to see what next years look like. As for Manti, well, he’s what ND is all about in so many ways, and the exposure ND is getting, even though it has had a bit to do with his recent family tragedies, is always a good thing because it’s more “human interest” story than it is football. Oh, and yeah, 5-0 doesn’t hurt either.You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
October 10, 2012 at 12:28 pm #14841
I think it has a great deal to do with the fact that most sports fans get familiar with the established narratives and just keep repeating them, whether or not they line up with reality.
Kobe is clutch. LeBron is a quitter who will never win ‘the big one.’ Tim Tebow just knows how to win. Notre Dame is overrated and irrelevant.
Once these things become conventional wisdom, people just repeat them without worrying or caring whether they line up with observable reality. It’s just human nature. If ND wins enough, eventually the conventional wisdom will change and the same people (at least the ones who don’t actively hate ND) will start mindlessly parroting whatever the new conventional wisdom is.You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
October 10, 2012 at 1:16 pm #14847
So…Skip Bayless is winning?
Son of a bitch…You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
October 10, 2012 at 3:43 pm #14849
I live in Micihgan. We play 2 of the local teams every year. And still, people believe most of this crap. I just file it in the “people are dumb” shelf, usually, but man, the “ND plays all the services acadamies every year!” one really gets me. The worst thing in a long line of incredibly dumb things that Kevin White did was schedule that one year where ND played Navy, AFA, and Army all in one year.
The conversation usually goes like this:
“ND’s schedule sucks! They play all the service acadamies!”
“Uh, no. We play Navy every year. Otherwise we will occasionally schedule AFA or Army just to fill an open date.”
“Still, Navy sucks! You shouldn’t play them every year!”
“Uh, UM/MSU plays Eastern/Central Michigan every single year. And let’s not even get into Indiana…”
“It’s un-American! Why beat up on the acadamies!”
“Uh, they WANT to play us. The ND game practically fully funds football at Navy.”
/facepalmYou must be logged in to reply to this topic.
November 1, 2012 at 9:13 am #15416
So down here in SEC-land, I’ve finally started getting some reluctant support, but only after the OU game. Still, the running shot is “you can’t say you’re good until you play an SEC team.” Which is awesome. Because USC gets that criticism all the time.You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
November 1, 2012 at 12:16 pm #15426
I’m in Big XII land and my favorite sports station has some OU homers. Listening this week has been AWESOME.
They have crowned ND as legit, eaten loads and loads of crowd.
GLORIOUS.You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
November 14, 2012 at 11:16 am #15809
I think that this year espically Nortre Dame should be getting a lot more respect than they are getting. They have exibited the one think in football that you cannot coach. Heart. Jimmy McGinty said it best in The Replacements. Maybe Notre Dame isn’t the most talented team, maybe they aren’t the fastest or the strongest team, but they have the biggest heart and I know that for sure. I firmly believe that this 2012 Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team could beat any team in the NCAA that they line up against because they have no quit in them and play with heart. Look no further than they’re leader Manti Te’o. The personification of heart on the football fieldYou must be logged in to reply to this topic.
November 14, 2012 at 11:37 am #15810
While I don’t doubt that this team is big on heart, I strongly debate the notion that we don’t have the talent this season.
Now, is that talent 100% refined? No, Everett Golson is still learning the ropes and our young WR corps starting to find their stride.
This team is loaded with talent. Don’t let the offensive struggles fool you into thinking otherwise.You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
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