Look. That sucked. 0 for 90 in the red zone and a bajillion running yards is terrible. Losing to Navy twice, at home, is horrid.
But anyone, ANYONE that wants Urban Meyer as coach at Notre Dame is NOT a Notre Dame man, or a Notre Dame woman. FACT.
Anyone that wants him here, for any reason whatsoever, PLEASE, email us and let's debate it. I'll give you the platform to tell me why it's a good idea. I'll give you a fair shot at explaining your reasoning. I'll give you thousands of readers. SERIOUSLY. Happy to do it. And then I will crush you in the debate. Because there is not a COACH IN THE WORLD worse for ND than Urban Meyer. NOT ONE. Not Weis. Not anyone.
I'm not defending Weis here, I'm just saying STOP with the Meyer nonsense. The guy is a 100% scumbag that has no scruples and could give a shite about his players carrying AK-47s and trying to blind people. I know ND winning is important. But not at the expense of who and what we are/should be. Notre Dame. Can someone please remember this?
So please, just stop with the Urban garbage. Call for anyone else. Call for Weis' head. But no more Urban. It makes you look like a rudderless Grade-A d-bag when you hope a guy like that would come to ND.
Moral compass? Eh, winning is more important.
Figure yourselves out NDNation. Don't be satisfied with tonight, ever. But don't hope for a guy like that. Ever.
By JD November 7, 2009 - 10:10 pm
What are you talking about? AK-47s? Why is Meyer such a terrible person?
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By Adam November 7, 2009 - 10:10 pm
Look, I know ND should expect more, but can anyone give Navy any credit outside of the “oh man those kids play hard” cliches? Considering two of the team’s losses came to what will be Top 15 teams at least (Pitt and OSU) and the other in the final moments against the best team in the MAC, and I’d say the Mids are actually a decent team. Shocking, I know.
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By The Biscuit November 7, 2009 - 10:20 pm
JD. Please do some reading. Just google AK-47 and Meyer. Seriously. Meyer had a player, a starter, named Ronnie Wilson. Wilson pulled out an AK-47 from his trunk on a Saturday night out, after leaving a club. A fight had started, and that was his player’s solution. Wilson pulled out an AK-FREAKING-47 and fired it. He didn’t kill anyone, shockingly, but he was back on the team the next season. MEYER LET A DUDE WITH A RAP LIKE THAT BACK ON THE TEAM the next season. If you think that’s the kind of coach that’s good for ND, then I 100% know you have no clue what ND is all about.
On top of that, UF has had 24 arrests since Urban took over. TWENTY-FOUR! And not for under-age drinking and making noise at night. For theft. Armed robbery. Dealing drugs. Seriously, should I go on?
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By The Biscuit November 7, 2009 - 10:25 pm
And JD, just some links for you:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/andy_staples/08/12/fla.wilson/
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3388268
http://loserswithsocks.com/2007/06/21/ranking-the-florida-gator-arrests/
http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/12/28/university-of-florida-the-ncaa-version-of-the-bengals/
this last one outlines UF players, under Meyer, doing the following: 1) Brawling 2) Discharging AK-47s (see above) 3) Robbery 4) Theft 5) Selling/Possessing Drugs 6) Burglary
Wilson, BTW, came back the next year for a bit and then committed another violent crime and finally got booted, against Urban’s wishes. You still want this guy? At Notre Dame? A place that’s supposed to STAND FOR SOMETHING? Go ahead and say yes, and I’ll hope that someday you might, maybe, just a little, understand ND.
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By JD November 7, 2009 - 10:25 pm
Wow. I had heard about the facemask thing, but not this. If that happened under one of our coaches there would probably be serious talk about asking him to leave if the kid wasn’t suspended for the rest of the year.
Why does the NCAA refuse to do anything about this? This is what they think college sports are all about? This wouldn’t even fly in the NFL!
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By The Biscuit November 7, 2009 - 10:28 pm
Adam, Navy played as well as they could. They did a good job with the ball when they had it. But ND beat ND today. 0 for 5 inside the 20 until late in the 4th wasnt because Navy played great D. We had mis-reads, miscommunications, and plain old stupid plays. Give them credit for taking advantage of it, but 2 missed FGs, and tons of other missed chances inside the 20 is on us. It’s not because they made it happen. I respect those guys, they keep us safe. But today, ND beat ND. And that’s on our guys, and Weis. Horrible.
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By The Biscuit November 7, 2009 - 10:30 pm
Yeah JD. I have no doubt that Meyer would win at ND. But I am not willing to support a guy that will allow those things, ANYWHERE-EVEN IF NOT AT ND – as coach at ND. Never, no-how, no-way. The face mask thing was bad, but that’s just the latest example of his complete lack of ethics.
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By SDI November 7, 2009 - 10:47 pm
Biscuit–who is crazy enough to still want ND to hire Meyer? I haven’t read much of that talk lately. I hear Brian Kelly a lot, and occassionally the guy from Boise or the guy from TCU, but not Meyer.
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By Craig November 7, 2009 - 10:55 pm
I think the deal with Meyer is that everyone has finally accepted the reality that he’s not going to make a lateral move from Florida to coach here. Well, everyone but the loonies who think that we might be able to find an obscene amount of money between the couch cushions to entice ANY coach here, no matter how good their current situation is.
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By Craig November 7, 2009 - 10:56 pm
Then again… I did hear some Urban Meyers in the stands today, so I guess not everyone has gotten the memo.
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By Adam November 7, 2009 - 11:15 pm
The Biscuit,
Typical. That’s all I have to say. Yep, Navy played a perfect game all right. Nevermind they missed a field goal, got stuffed on a gimmer 3rd and one, and were missing multiple starters due to injury. Did ND self-destruct? Yea, but it’s not like Navy “got lucky” all afternoon. 400+ yards of total offense is not “luck.”
Respect them because they’re a good team, not just because they protect our country.
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By The Biscuit November 7, 2009 - 11:22 pm
Adam, who said they played a perfect game? I didn’t. And I didn’t say anything about their not deserving to win or anything of the sort. When we were at 1st and goal on the 2, multiple times, someone stopped us. I’m not saying Navy did nothing, I’m saying that ND should be able to overcome ANYTHING Navy sends at us. Anytime. Ever. The talent gap alone should cover it. They played well. They played well enough to win. But if ND is even 20% from the red zone in scoring (any scoring), which is laughable), ND wins.
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By jon November 8, 2009 - 12:28 am
The Biscuit:
Don’t ever try and tell someone they are not an Irish for wanting a national championship winning coach at ND, let alone a multiple champion.
It is morons like yourself who have made it ok to try and deal with the mediocrity that our beloved university has become. So Myer has had some trouble with a couple of recruits….He is getting nothing but thoroughbreds, when we have a couple horses and a lot of donkeys.
It is my job, and every other supporter of ND’s responsibility to question our leadership when it has turned into the mundane, terrible team it has become.But to say that we should ignore a national championship coach,who has ND ties,and has always said he would love to coach at ND, and then to say we’re not real supporters of the IRISH?!? are you kidding me? Go hold onto Coach Weis’ jockstrap, and hope he might someday let u rub him down. I wish i would never have to quote Obama, but i agree with him when he said, WE NEED CHANGE!
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By The Biscuit November 8, 2009 - 12:35 am
Jon, please learn how to read. My post had nothing to do with supporting Weis. In fact, I explicitly said that it had nothing to do with supporting Weis. (BTW, if you call this team mundane, you dont know what the word means). And yes, I say we should ignore a guy that has 24 arrests in just a few years, to go with his MNCs. Saying ‘Meyer has had some trouble with a couple of recruits’ clearly shows that 1) you have no idea what ND is about and 2) you have no idea what his ‘recruits’ have done. If you want to bring in a scumbag like Meyer, you are NOT an ND man. Deal with it. PS – this doesnt mean I’m saying no to change, I’m just saying that ANYthing is better than Meyer, and that you liking Meyer as an ND coach means you’re a fringe fan that has no clue what ND is about.
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By The Biscuit November 8, 2009 - 12:46 am
PS – Jon, please take spelling lessons. “Moran” is spelled with an ‘a’.
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By jon November 8, 2009 - 1:19 am
Well actually im a diehard fan who lives and breathes ND…and I’m glad I don’t have to be around idiots like yourself. Nice little faggot blog you have here where all you do is critisize people for trying to find new ways to improve our team. get a fucking life fag.
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By hook November 8, 2009 - 3:01 am
Dont worry, Meyer doesn’t want to coach at ND. Why would he want to? When he is one of the top paid coaches already, he gets more talent out of the south, hes already won 2 BCS titles. What does ND have that Meyer would want? loser fans that hate on other teams that are better. What DOES ND stand for? Everyone knows if they joined the Big Ten, they would make things a lot easier on getting a play off system. Everything evolves around money at ND, not ethics, so of course they wont join any conference because they will have to share thier earnings. Your greedy ND would do anything to have Meyer… why becuase he would get them more money, and you can rant rave about ETHICS, but your a f’n idiot if you think ND wouldnt hire Meyer, and you know they would. So in reality how f’n ethical is your school if they are willing to hire the big bad Meyer.
BTW, ND sucks, get used to it. Talking shit about other people isnt going to change that.
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By Ska November 8, 2009 - 7:21 am
Absolutely no Urban Liar. Never, Never!! The NRA will make ND into a poster child/thug. The Recruiting message will be “the automatic of your choice” if you go to ND. To “Hell with education.”
By the way, ND Nation is more concerned/ranting about Obama’s commencement speech and dissing ND than discussing ND football.
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By krossfader November 8, 2009 - 11:36 am
Quite possibly the best thing I’ve ever read on a Domer blog. Meyer is a grade-A mercenary with no scruples about doing anything to win.
Nick Saban has more ethical fiber that Meyer…
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By The Biscuit November 8, 2009 - 11:57 am
Jon, in your short second post you showed that you literally have no class, no respect for others, and no respect for yourself, and that you clearly do not understand ND in any way, shape or form. I request that you go cheer for Miami. They’ll welcome you there – you’re one of theirs, not one of ours. Hook, you should really, really try to learn how to write. You know, cohesive thoughts. Your 5th grade English teacher should be fired.
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By Eighty Fiver November 8, 2009 - 12:00 pm
Biscuit:
Three observations by an admittedly partisan Navy guy who has followed ND, an annual opponent, fairly closely for the better part of four decades:
First: You’re absolutely right about Meyer. If ND wants to lose its identity and its incredibly valuable brand, there’s no faster way to that abyss than to hire a dirtbag like Meyer. The Spikes incident says it all about how that program is run, top down. Bring that to South Bend and you may get wins, but you lose something very important. I find that the ND fans who are actually close to the institution get this; the “subway domers” who have never in their lives set foot in the State of Indiana tend not to.
Second: As to the series between our respective institutions is concerned, “the streak” is still alive and well–not on paper of course but in the unrealistic expectations of ND fans. Exhibit A is your comment above. (“ND should be able to overcome ANYTHING Navy sends at us. Anytime. Ever.”) ND does get far better recruits and has greater resources than Navy. But the expectation that a well-coached and fairly talented Navy team can’t come in, execute, and take a game every now and then just isn’t realistic. This will not happen very often, but it will happen occasionally, and I’d encourage you to get down off of the ledge.
Third: Your “ND beat ND” comment sounds like it came out of Colorado Springs. ND got beaten by a well-coached team that came in and executed its game plan and capitalized on its opponent’s mistakes. (It happens–I watched it happen to my team a lot over 43 years.)
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By SDI November 8, 2009 - 12:37 pm
Eighty Fiver–I disagree. Biscuit is right. Notre Dame has far, far more talent, at every position on the field than Navy. They should never lose to Navy, ever. USC losing to Oregon St. or Oregon is one thing–those schools are full of highly recruited players also. Navy is not. They are hard working, smart, disciplined kids that deserve our admiration for what they do. But they should never be able to beat Notre Dame. Gerry Faust, Bob Davie, and Ty Willingham never lost to Navy once between them. That says it all.
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By The Biscuit November 8, 2009 - 12:58 pm
Eighty-fiver, I appreciate your comment, and I get what you’re saying. I agree that Navy played well. I agree that the coaches had a good game plan, and the players executed it well. But as SDI said, it shouldn’t happen because of the talent gap. That’s why it didn’t happen for so long. And on us beating us: ND was 88% in red zone scoring going into this game. If they had hit 50% (just 3 of 6!), we’d have won. Fumbling on the 1, throwing a pick inside the 10, missing 2 FGs. We did those things. Jimmy should’ve slid. Dumb mental mistake. Floyd/Jimmy should’ve communicated on that INT, dumb mental mistake. Tausch had hit 14 in a row, and misses 2. I’m sorry, but you guys didn’t block those. I give you credit for the goal line stand where we went 0 for 4 tries inside the 2. Good defense. But it wasn’t Navy making plays on the other 3 missed chances inside the 10. It was ND just falling all over themselves. I sincerely mean no disrespect to Navy, though I know it’s tough to believe that with what I’m saying…
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By Threehills November 8, 2009 - 1:04 pm
At November 8th, 2009 at 1:19 am, jon said…
“get a fucking life fag.”
Spoken like a true Notre Dame Man (rolling eyes)
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By Burbank Steve November 8, 2009 - 9:56 pm
Biscuit, a couple of things (or maybe more than a couple, I haven’t counted them before I post)
1) Don’t worry about Meyer. Fortunately the “win now at any cost” creeps don’t actually have any say in the hiring of a Head Coach, whether they are ND Men or not. If the University had the balls to fire O’Leary for a resume fabrication, do you think they’d even let Meyer on campus for an interview?
2) I’m tired of the excuses that our rigorous academics have a bearing on whether we can play. The Cardinal beat Oregon yesterday, and I’m not entirely convinced that Harbaugh can sweet-talk the trustees of Leland Stanford University that it’s worth their while to sneak in a plethora of 1.7 GPA guys just to help them fill the new stadium. Oh – and of course, do you think our Navy nemesis plays those games either? Their team is made of fighting men who, when they graduate, are off to a place none of us would ever wish to go, highly trained and commanding a real life-or-death situation, not third and long.
3) I support my team. Our players did not break yesterday, they lost to a team that had a better battle plan. However, I don’t support the coaching staff who I think let those players down.
4) No easy fixes, but now I’m sure that Charlie Weis is not our Coach, as much as he says he “gets it”. He let our players down yesterday, and he will continue to do so. I’ve just finished reading the new “Resurrection” book about Parseghian’s first year with ND, and I’m NOT exclaiming that there is magic to be found by looking to Northwestern, but there are men of morals, character, talent and inspiration that would lead ND in a better direction. And that does not mean a National Championship next year.
5) I’m saddened by Charlie – he is an exemplary example of a Coach who will not dilute his vision with easy fixes, but he cannot seem to execute on game day. He has never disappointed in any other area – recruiting, discipline, team captains, anything .. except on game day, when he seems to be incapable of letting those talented and committed student-athletes perform as they undoubtledly can. That’s his cross to bear, but a tough act to follow – if anyone has the morals of Charlie and, in addition, the ability to perform, then we are looking for a rare talent. That’s the conundrum that is facing all Notre Dame men and women tonight.
OK, 5 points and all totally confused, just as I’m sure that Jack Swarbrick is right now.
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By WS November 9, 2009 - 5:33 am
Biscuit,
I’m a little late getting to the discussion here, but I disagree with your assessment on Urban Meyer. I’m of the opinion that the issues you have with him, e.g. player behavior, are more institutional problems than coaching problems. Florida has had players in legal trouble long before Urban Meyer got there and they will after he’s gone.
It’s easy to point to his tenure there and rant about how “classless” he is, and I agree that Florida’s program reflects poorly on him as a coach. However, find me an incident from when he was at Utah if you really want to prove that he’s as awful as you say he is. Also, I don’t remember any of our wide receivers gouging eyes out when he was coaching here.
I understand your concern that the next coach should represent Notre Dame well both on and off the field, but I don’t think that Urban Meyer would be an apocalytpic situation.
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By Coach Mike November 9, 2009 - 7:25 am
Not sure about Meyer and discipline. Don’t think he had any problems at Utah with that sort of thing. What about Chris Peterson at Boise State. He wins with players of lesser talent. Charlie is too flat emotionally. No sideline fire. People at ND still take umbrage with his flashing those Super Bowl rings when he arrived at ND. Okay, so the Weis era will be remembered as one of mediocrity, even though there were great players. So, who’s next?
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By Shoutboxx November 9, 2009 - 10:46 am
Guys, am I missing something or is this whole thing even more academic than it appears?
First of all, we’re assuming Weis gets the heave-ho this year. At this point, after resisting a long time, I’m in favor of him going; he recruits like a fiend, but he just can’t seem to put it together on the field, something I find bizarre and confusing. And he consistently makes questionable calls (who doesn’t kick a field goal on 4th down from inside the 5 yard line in the second quarter, even if the kicker is struggling from further out? Its a freaking PAT attempt from that distance, and would let your kicker score and get a little confidence back. At that point in the game, just getting points on the board would have been the smart move; it was only a two-touchdown game, and our offense was moving the ball, even if they couldn’t punch it in. What was he thinking? Was he worried that the game was getting away and we needed a touchdown “or else”, or that the offense would suffer a psychological blow if it didn’t get a TD (which of course happened anyway)? Or was he just arrogant enough to believe that there was no way Navy could stop us in a short-yardage situation that many times in a row? I know it wasn’t the turning point in the game; we had plenty of opportunities after that. But, that decision symbolizes what’s wrong with Weis; he’s been doing this kind of crap for years. Its a serious problem.) But at this point, my guess is that unless he loses all the rest of our games, he’ll probably get one more year.
But secondly, even if he goes, I just don’t see Meyer wanting to come to ND at this point. He’s sitting in a program that is contending for its second national championship in two years, and as far as I know people in Florida love him. Also, if I remember right, one of his reasons for not wanting the job in 2004 was he thought Florida would be a better place to raise his family. He still has fairly young kids (the two youngest are 10 and 15). If that really was a factor for him, why uproot them now?
I know ND is special, and he’s made it clear he’d like the job at some point, but from his perspective, why would he trade what he has for the possibility that he might go to ND and completely fail, or at least not succeed so brilliantly (and yes, I know that’s a strong word, and I’m not a fan, but its hard to deny he’s been incredibly successful at Florida up to this point)? I just can’t see him wanting to do that, at least not at this time.
That being said, personally I don’t think he’s the right coach for us anyway. At this point, I’m not sure who is, and I don’t think the administration is either, another reason I think Weis will get at least one more year.
Biscuit, as always, well thought-out and argued points.
Jon, you should reconsider what you said. Unlike Biscuit, I’d still take you as an ND guy, just a frustrated one with a different perspective from me and a homophobia problem, but you lost the argument completely when you resorted to the name-calling. This is 2009; no one is impressed by use of the word “faggot” as an insult anymore, and it just makes you look narrow and intolerant. Next time, go with an insult that is more “in” right now, like “douchebag”. Better yet, try to figure out a way to combine it with Biscuit’s handle; you know, like “Biscuit McDouche” or “Douchie McBiscuitBag.” You could totally win your argument with a couple of well-aimed insults like those, I’m sure, regardless of the merits.
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By The Biscuit November 9, 2009 - 11:41 am
WS and Mike, I see your point, but I don’t agree. Saying UF’s problems are ‘institutional’ and not putting any of the blame on Meyer is just weak. He didn’t have issues at previous positions, great. But he’s the man at UF, and he’s the one that suspended Spikes for half a game for trying to blind a guy. No institution did that, he did that. He also let Ronnie Wilson back on the team. The AK-47 guy, back on the team. UF didn’t do that, Meyer did. Shoutboxx, I know that the debate around Meyer could be pointless. He’s probably unlikely to want the job anyway, but my issue is as much with that as it is with ND people WANTING him to come. It makes me sick to think we’ve gotten so desperate. Finally, Jon is no ND guy, not now, probably never.
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By Katzenboyer November 9, 2009 - 12:01 pm
To answer your challenge “Anyone that wants him here, for any reason whatsoever, PLEASE, email us and let’s debate it. I’ll give you the platform to tell me why it’s a good idea.”
Um…because the administration thought it was a good idea 5 years ago and had him as #1 on their list?
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By domer.mq November 9, 2009 - 12:09 pm
Katzenboyer, you really think that’s a “reason?”
You really think that 5 years of evidence of his behavior and ethics since that last attempt doesn’t trump the ND-wanted-him-before-so-they-should-want-him-again “logic?”
This is like saying your best fried should totally hook up with the hottie who wasn’t into him last year even though you now know that hottie has hepatitis.
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By sabremaker November 9, 2009 - 12:17 pm
I think your probably right about Urban Meyer, but two coaches that have impressed me are the Boise State Coach and Jim Harbaugh. Also, they still should consider Tom Clements. All three coaches are very capable of leading ND. Also, In back ground is the coach at Central Fla.who ND let go. He has done a remarkable job there and still should be consider for the job. I think everyone embellishes there resumes he just happened to get caught but it doesn’t mean he can’t coach.
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By Katzenboyer November 9, 2009 - 12:21 pm
Actually, it’s nothing like trying to hook up with a hottie knowing she has hepatitis.
The demand was asked for any reason to be given about bringing in Meyer. Ignoring the fact that, you know, he’s won two national championships in the time period you reference, ND wanted him five years ago.
Was ND incompetent in trying to get Meyer? Did they have the wool pulled over their eyes? Were they incompetent?
Or is it moreso that our fan base as a whole is entirely too sensitive to teams who “don’t win the right way”? That the fact that Meyer since going to Florida has stolen Justin Trattou and Omar Hunter from us by doing exactly what ND did to Brian Smith and Roby Toma when they were committed to Iowa and UCLA respectively?
Some of you guys act like children whenever Urban Meyer is brought up. It’s embarassing to read as a Notre Dame fan, and it makes you all look like jilted lovers still trying to get back at your ex-boyfriends because they’ve moved happily on without you.
Grow up.
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By Katzenboyer November 9, 2009 - 12:27 pm
“This is like saying your best fried should totally hook up with the hottie who wasn’t into him last year even though you now know that hottie has hepatitis.”
Just because you want everyone to THINK she has hepatitis, doesn’t mean she does. Which is why the “jilted lover” analogy works perfectly — you’re pissed she took your dignity, and now you’re just trying to save your ego by saying she’s got VD. What a mature way to handle things.
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By SDI November 9, 2009 - 12:35 pm
She does have hepatitis.
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By domer.mq November 9, 2009 - 12:35 pm
Katzenboyer,
We’re not making crap up about Meyer. We actually know the way he’s handled discipline problems at Florida. It’s been a freaking joke. Even the Florida papers wonder about it.
And again, I think Biscuit was asking for a “reason” and you came up with, “because ND wanted him before.” That’s not a reason. Look up “reason.”
Meyer’s shown he can work within the parameters at Florida to win NCs. He hasn’t shown at all tha the can win a NC within the sort of parameters laid out by ND. And I think it’s foolhardy to assume he ever could. He’d have to break habit.
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By The Biscuit November 9, 2009 - 12:38 pm
Katz, I know you won’t believe me, but my not wanting Meyer has literally nothing to do with him turning us down the first time around. I get why he did it – ND was way down, and he wanted UF for family reasons (he’s made this very clear). When he turned us down, I didn’t hate him. Go back and read this blog around that time. We made fun of a him a little, but I would’ve welcomed him here the very next season, no problem, if circumstances had allowed for it in some weird, random way. But 24 (24!) arrests later, and repeated evidence of his obvious lack of any scruples/morals (see EDSBS – even UF fans make fun of this), and his win-at-any-costs attitude changed all of that. Again, I know you won’t believe this and you want to pin your ‘jilted lover’ crap on us, but it’s just not the case. If Meyer was winning with any semblance of integrity, I’d be doing whatever possible to get him to ND. The issue here is that we’re not SAYING the girl has VD. The girl freaking HAS VD! (It’s been published in the papers, on the blogs, and spouted all over ESPN that this chick has VD man, at what point do you need more evidence to believe it?) And probably a lot more than we even know about.
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By Katzenboyer November 9, 2009 - 12:42 pm
I’m not saying anybody is making crap up about Meyer.
What I’m saying is that 5 years ago ND wanted him to be “the guy”. And the fanbase hasn’t forgiven him for saying “No”, and it looks very immature when we constantly whine about what he does and doesn’t do.
As for giving a “reason”, I’ve taken your advice and looked it up in the dictionary — thank you for pointing me in the right direction. And as for my “reason” and how it applies — ND wanted him five years ago, after he was a relatively “small fish”. They wanted him because he won football games whereever he went, and had coaching experience at ND. Those same reasons are why they’d want him now (plus the two national championships, the enormous win total, and the fact that he’s considered one of the top coaches in the game) and if you don’t think ND will give him a call if they decide to axe Charlie, you’re crazy.
But again, thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I might have gone through life not knowing what “reason” meant, but I’m a better man now.
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By domer.mq November 9, 2009 - 12:45 pm
Katz, what you have to understand is that had Meyer won as he is winning without the problems behind the scenes, we’d be the first ones trumpeting Urb’s “return” to South Bend. It’s the problems with players running around with AK-47s, stealing dead girlfriends’ credit cards, etc… that have turned us off. We could easily forgive the fact that he said no once before.
Further, Biscuit wasn’t asking for reasons that ND’s Admin will go calling to Meyer. I’m pretty sure they will. Biscuit was asking for reasons that the admin would be right to do so because we believe that it’s against the very core ideals of ND to go after a guy like Urban Meyer.
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By Katzenboyer November 9, 2009 - 12:49 pm
Domer, that’s fine and good. But aren’t the players transgressions a reflection of the player, and not the coach?
I’m just playing devil’s advocate here. I’m not supporting, nor denying, Meyer as coach of ND.
But we often hear how the player’s are the ones making the plays defensively, and that’s why Weis should be given a pass on the defensive poor play. Well, did Meyer buy the guy a gun? How can he control what the players do off the field?
And also, the guys who got arrested wouldn’t be admitted to Notre Dame, so I don’t think we’d have the same problems.
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By The Biscuit November 9, 2009 - 12:51 pm
Right. I am almost certain ND will reach out to him if/when a search takes place. I just really, really, really wish they wouldn’t. Because they shouldn’t – because there is no reason, none, that makes him attractive for Notre Dame. For every other program? Sure. But the minute we hire Urban, we immediately put a stake in the ground that says that winning is more important than anything else. When that happens we should start taking JUCO’s, relax all admission standards to the bare minimums, allow players to take ‘online courses’ that others take for them, and generally let any player stay on the squad despite any legal or moral issues. Trying to blind opposing players will be fine at ND under Urban Meyer. Is that the ND you want to root for? Support? Love? Not me.
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By The Biscuit November 9, 2009 - 12:52 pm
ps – my ‘right’ was to DMQ. Katz, on your latest, the problem is that Urban CAN do something to stop those things. He just doesn’t. He can kick kids off the team. He can refuse to recruit them in the first place. He can implement penalties beyond 1/2 game suspensions against lowly opponents. Coaches do, and should, have responsibility for the players off the field.
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By domer.mq November 9, 2009 - 12:54 pm
Katz, it’s not about what the players do off the field. It’s how Urban handles it after the fact. It’s how Urban signals to the team that something is or isn’t okay.
And you bring up a fun point: Urban hasn’t shown that he could coach the kind of players that ND brings in.
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By Mark Makers November 9, 2009 - 3:05 pm
Urban left us at the alter. He punked KW and leveraged our interest for a better deal at Florida. Then, when it suited his negotiaing interests at Florida a 2nd time, he shook out the old, “I love ND” line. Way too many ND fans immediately went into hyperventilation mode. Psych! Again!! Even if he were a Notre Dame-caliber person, (which he ain’t) he’s not coming. Maybe deep down inside he knows he doesn’t have what it takes to coach at ND.
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By Reality November 9, 2009 - 3:08 pm
This is hilarious. Delusional ND fans pretending 1) that Urban Meyer would even want the job, and 2) that you’d actually turn him down.
“If that billionaire offered me 10 million dollars I TOTALLY wouldn’t take it because he’s in the oil business.” Riiiiigght.
You guys base your theory on a premise that is entirely ludicrous in the first place.
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By The Biscuit November 9, 2009 - 3:32 pm
Reality needs to learn how to read. You know – take meaning from words and all that?
Nowhere in this post did I say that Meyer would want the job, and nowhere did I say that ND would turn him down. I said that ND fans shouldn’t want him, and that ND should not offer him the job. For the record, I think it’s 50/50 that he’d want the job. He’s publicly stated it’s his ‘dream’, and all that. But he also lies all the time, so it’s tough to know what reality is. And I’m pretty sure that the ND brass would take him on if he expressed interest, which is probably the saddest part all around. But even sadder is your inability to comprehend words. Or write them. Can you please explain what “my theory” is? And what premise it’s based on that is ludicrous? Please, enlighten us.
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By Ty Webb November 9, 2009 - 4:06 pm
As an Alabama fan with no dog in the hunt (well, I wouldn’t mind if Meyer left UF, so maybe that’s not true), I hate to tell you that the common outsiders’ impression is that Weis has certainly never done anything to show that he’s a more honorable man than Meyer. The whole “decided schematic advantage” speech, before he’d won anything, completely revealed a lack of character, humility, and self-awareness. The constant “we’re different” vibe that ND tries to give off doesn’t work anymore; not sure how it ever did.
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By The Biscuit November 9, 2009 - 4:16 pm
Ty, are you seriously trying to equate having an ego with having no moral compass? I agree that Weis is a jackass often, and puts his foot in his mouth time and again, but Meyer has blatant lies to recruits, NCAA violations and 24 arrests under his belt. Weis isn’t the nicest guy in the world, but he doesn’t cheat and he doesnt allow felons to play on his team. Huge difference.
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