Horrible, but please STFU about Meyer.

JD

What are you talking about? AK-47s? Why is Meyer such a terrible person?

JD

Wow. I had heard about the facemask thing, but not this. If that happened under one of our coaches there would probably be serious talk about asking him to leave if the kid wasn’t suspended for the rest of the year.

Why does the NCAA refuse to do anything about this? This is what they think college sports are all about? This wouldn’t even fly in the NFL!

Craig

I think the deal with Meyer is that everyone has finally accepted the reality that he’s not going to make a lateral move from Florida to coach here. Well, everyone but the loonies who think that we might be able to find an obscene amount of money between the couch cushions to entice ANY coach here, no matter how good their current situation is.

Adam

The Biscuit,

Typical. That’s all I have to say. Yep, Navy played a perfect game all right. Nevermind they missed a field goal, got stuffed on a gimmer 3rd and one, and were missing multiple starters due to injury. Did ND self-destruct? Yea, but it’s not like Navy “got lucky” all afternoon. 400+ yards of total offense is not “luck.”

Respect them because they’re a good team, not just because they protect our country.

jon

The Biscuit:
Don’t ever try and tell someone they are not an Irish for wanting a national championship winning coach at ND, let alone a multiple champion.
It is morons like yourself who have made it ok to try and deal with the mediocrity that our beloved university has become. So Myer has had some trouble with a couple of recruits….He is getting nothing but thoroughbreds, when we have a couple horses and a lot of donkeys.
It is my job, and every other supporter of ND’s responsibility to question our leadership when it has turned into the mundane, terrible team it has become.But to say that we should ignore a national championship coach,who has ND ties,and has always said he would love to coach at ND, and then to say we’re not real supporters of the IRISH?!? are you kidding me? Go hold onto Coach Weis’ jockstrap, and hope he might someday let u rub him down. I wish i would never have to quote Obama, but i agree with him when he said, WE NEED CHANGE!

The Biscuit

PS – Jon, please take spelling lessons. “Moran” is spelled with an ‘a’.

hook

Dont worry, Meyer doesn’t want to coach at ND. Why would he want to? When he is one of the top paid coaches already, he gets more talent out of the south, hes already won 2 BCS titles. What does ND have that Meyer would want? loser fans that hate on other teams that are better. What DOES ND stand for? Everyone knows if they joined the Big Ten, they would make things a lot easier on getting a play off system. Everything evolves around money at ND, not ethics, so of course they wont join any conference because they will have to share thier earnings. Your greedy ND would do anything to have Meyer… why becuase he would get them more money, and you can rant rave about ETHICS, but your a f’n idiot if you think ND wouldnt hire Meyer, and you know they would. So in reality how f’n ethical is your school if they are willing to hire the big bad Meyer.

BTW, ND sucks, get used to it. Talking shit about other people isnt going to change that.

krossfader

Quite possibly the best thing I’ve ever read on a Domer blog. Meyer is a grade-A mercenary with no scruples about doing anything to win.

Nick Saban has more ethical fiber that Meyer…

Eighty Fiver

Biscuit:
Three observations by an admittedly partisan Navy guy who has followed ND, an annual opponent, fairly closely for the better part of four decades:
First: You’re absolutely right about Meyer. If ND wants to lose its identity and its incredibly valuable brand, there’s no faster way to that abyss than to hire a dirtbag like Meyer. The Spikes incident says it all about how that program is run, top down. Bring that to South Bend and you may get wins, but you lose something very important. I find that the ND fans who are actually close to the institution get this; the “subway domers” who have never in their lives set foot in the State of Indiana tend not to.
Second: As to the series between our respective institutions is concerned, “the streak” is still alive and well–not on paper of course but in the unrealistic expectations of ND fans. Exhibit A is your comment above. (”ND should be able to overcome ANYTHING Navy sends at us. Anytime. Ever.”) ND does get far better recruits and has greater resources than Navy. But the expectation that a well-coached and fairly talented Navy team can’t come in, execute, and take a game every now and then just isn’t realistic. This will not happen very often, but it will happen occasionally, and I’d encourage you to get down off of the ledge.
Third: Your “ND beat ND” comment sounds like it came out of Colorado Springs. ND got beaten by a well-coached team that came in and executed its game plan and capitalized on its opponent’s mistakes. (It happens–I watched it happen to my team a lot over 43 years.)

The Biscuit

Eighty-fiver, I appreciate your comment, and I get what you’re saying. I agree that Navy played well. I agree that the coaches had a good game plan, and the players executed it well. But as SDI said, it shouldn’t happen because of the talent gap. That’s why it didn’t happen for so long. And on us beating us: ND was 88% in red zone scoring going into this game. If they had hit 50% (just 3 of 6!), we’d have won. Fumbling on the 1, throwing a pick inside the 10, missing 2 FGs. We did those things. Jimmy should’ve slid. Dumb mental mistake. Floyd/Jimmy should’ve communicated on that INT, dumb mental mistake. Tausch had hit 14 in a row, and misses 2. I’m sorry, but you guys didn’t block those. I give you credit for the goal line stand where we went 0 for 4 tries inside the 2. Good defense. But it wasn’t Navy making plays on the other 3 missed chances inside the 10. It was ND just falling all over themselves. I sincerely mean no disrespect to Navy, though I know it’s tough to believe that with what I’m saying…

Burbank Steve

Biscuit, a couple of things (or maybe more than a couple, I haven’t counted them before I post)

1) Don’t worry about Meyer. Fortunately the “win now at any cost” creeps don’t actually have any say in the hiring of a Head Coach, whether they are ND Men or not. If the University had the balls to fire O’Leary for a resume fabrication, do you think they’d even let Meyer on campus for an interview?

2) I’m tired of the excuses that our rigorous academics have a bearing on whether we can play. The Cardinal beat Oregon yesterday, and I’m not entirely convinced that Harbaugh can sweet-talk the trustees of Leland Stanford University that it’s worth their while to sneak in a plethora of 1.7 GPA guys just to help them fill the new stadium. Oh – and of course, do you think our Navy nemesis plays those games either? Their team is made of fighting men who, when they graduate, are off to a place none of us would ever wish to go, highly trained and commanding a real life-or-death situation, not third and long.

3) I support my team. Our players did not break yesterday, they lost to a team that had a better battle plan. However, I don’t support the coaching staff who I think let those players down.

4) No easy fixes, but now I’m sure that Charlie Weis is not our Coach, as much as he says he “gets it”. He let our players down yesterday, and he will continue to do so. I’ve just finished reading the new “Resurrection” book about Parseghian’s first year with ND, and I’m NOT exclaiming that there is magic to be found by looking to Northwestern, but there are men of morals, character, talent and inspiration that would lead ND in a better direction. And that does not mean a National Championship next year.

5) I’m saddened by Charlie – he is an exemplary example of a Coach who will not dilute his vision with easy fixes, but he cannot seem to execute on game day. He has never disappointed in any other area – recruiting, discipline, team captains, anything .. except on game day, when he seems to be incapable of letting those talented and committed student-athletes perform as they undoubtledly can. That’s his cross to bear, but a tough act to follow – if anyone has the morals of Charlie and, in addition, the ability to perform, then we are looking for a rare talent. That’s the conundrum that is facing all Notre Dame men and women tonight.

OK, 5 points and all totally confused, just as I’m sure that Jack Swarbrick is right now.

Coach Mike

Not sure about Meyer and discipline. Don’t think he had any problems at Utah with that sort of thing. What about Chris Peterson at Boise State. He wins with players of lesser talent. Charlie is too flat emotionally. No sideline fire. People at ND still take umbrage with his flashing those Super Bowl rings when he arrived at ND. Okay, so the Weis era will be remembered as one of mediocrity, even though there were great players. So, who’s next?

The Biscuit

WS and Mike, I see your point, but I don’t agree. Saying UF’s problems are ‘institutional’ and not putting any of the blame on Meyer is just weak. He didn’t have issues at previous positions, great. But he’s the man at UF, and he’s the one that suspended Spikes for half a game for trying to blind a guy. No institution did that, he did that. He also let Ronnie Wilson back on the team. The AK-47 guy, back on the team. UF didn’t do that, Meyer did. Shoutboxx, I know that the debate around Meyer could be pointless. He’s probably unlikely to want the job anyway, but my issue is as much with that as it is with ND people WANTING him to come. It makes me sick to think we’ve gotten so desperate. Finally, Jon is no ND guy, not now, probably never.

Katzenboyer

Actually, it’s nothing like trying to hook up with a hottie knowing she has hepatitis.

The demand was asked for any reason to be given about bringing in Meyer. Ignoring the fact that, you know, he’s won two national championships in the time period you reference, ND wanted him five years ago.

Was ND incompetent in trying to get Meyer? Did they have the wool pulled over their eyes? Were they incompetent?

Or is it moreso that our fan base as a whole is entirely too sensitive to teams who “don’t win the right way”? That the fact that Meyer since going to Florida has stolen Justin Trattou and Omar Hunter from us by doing exactly what ND did to Brian Smith and Roby Toma when they were committed to Iowa and UCLA respectively?

Some of you guys act like children whenever Urban Meyer is brought up. It’s embarassing to read as a Notre Dame fan, and it makes you all look like jilted lovers still trying to get back at your ex-boyfriends because they’ve moved happily on without you.

Grow up.

SDI

She does have hepatitis.

The Biscuit

Katz, I know you won’t believe me, but my not wanting Meyer has literally nothing to do with him turning us down the first time around. I get why he did it – ND was way down, and he wanted UF for family reasons (he’s made this very clear). When he turned us down, I didn’t hate him. Go back and read this blog around that time. We made fun of a him a little, but I would’ve welcomed him here the very next season, no problem, if circumstances had allowed for it in some weird, random way. But 24 (24!) arrests later, and repeated evidence of his obvious lack of any scruples/morals (see EDSBS – even UF fans make fun of this), and his win-at-any-costs attitude changed all of that. Again, I know you won’t believe this and you want to pin your ‘jilted lover’ crap on us, but it’s just not the case. If Meyer was winning with any semblance of integrity, I’d be doing whatever possible to get him to ND. The issue here is that we’re not SAYING the girl has VD. The girl freaking HAS VD! (It’s been published in the papers, on the blogs, and spouted all over ESPN that this chick has VD man, at what point do you need more evidence to believe it?) And probably a lot more than we even know about.

The Biscuit

Right. I am almost certain ND will reach out to him if/when a search takes place. I just really, really, really wish they wouldn’t. Because they shouldn’t – because there is no reason, none, that makes him attractive for Notre Dame. For every other program? Sure. But the minute we hire Urban, we immediately put a stake in the ground that says that winning is more important than anything else. When that happens we should start taking JUCO’s, relax all admission standards to the bare minimums, allow players to take ‘online courses’ that others take for them, and generally let any player stay on the squad despite any legal or moral issues. Trying to blind opposing players will be fine at ND under Urban Meyer. Is that the ND you want to root for? Support? Love? Not me.

Reality

This is hilarious. Delusional ND fans pretending 1) that Urban Meyer would even want the job, and 2) that you’d actually turn him down.

“If that billionaire offered me 10 million dollars I TOTALLY wouldn’t take it because he’s in the oil business.” Riiiiigght.

You guys base your theory on a premise that is entirely ludicrous in the first place.

Ty Webb

As an Alabama fan with no dog in the hunt (well, I wouldn’t mind if Meyer left UF, so maybe that’s not true), I hate to tell you that the common outsiders’ impression is that Weis has certainly never done anything to show that he’s a more honorable man than Meyer. The whole “decided schematic advantage” speech, before he’d won anything, completely revealed a lack of character, humility, and self-awareness. The constant “we’re different” vibe that ND tries to give off doesn’t work anymore; not sure how it ever did.