What “Soft” Schedule?
The Biscuit - 4:08 pm

So I don’t get all this talk about ND’s soft schedule. The pundits are all over it, ND’s competitors’ fans are all over it (but they say we have a weak schedule even when we have a Top 10 SOS bc we play an Academy or 2 – nevermind they’re decent teams, THEY’RE ACADEMIES!!!!), and of course all the haters in general say it.
I get it if people say that it’s not that exciting of a sked. There aren’t big names on this schedule. With Michigan (sucks) sucking, one of our typically 2 (along with USC) ‘power’ program games doesn’t exist this year. And the rest of the slate isn’t all the gripping from a big name perspective. 100% agree.
And I get it being soft compared to ND schedules of the past, where ND typically had a Top 10 or Top 15 SOS. It’s not a killer schedule. It’s not brutal.
But compared to MOST programs across the country, ND’s schedule isn’t soft.
Phil Steele ranks ND’s Strength of Schedule as the 36th most difficult in the country. Out of 112 teams, 36 isn’t “soft”. It is, in fact, well above average in terms of difficulty. And it’s much closer to 1 than it is to 112. A lot of other rankings aren’t out yet, but let’s say you don’t buy Steele’s methdology or you think Phil is wrong. Phil is a smart guy, but he can be off right? But he’s generally not WAY off. Let’s say he’s wrong by a lot, which isn’t all that likely – say 40% off. That would mean ND would fall at 51, right at average. Even then, it’s not a super soft schedule like many are trying to say. It would just be average.
Why is ND’s schedule not soft? And why do people say it is? Here’s why:
Why ND’s schedule isn’t soft:
1) Folks are calling ND’s schedule weak because we don’t play a ton of big-time, marquee matchups. This doesn’t mean it’s a weak schedule. Playing 2-3 really tough/brand name teams makes a schedule seem really tough. But if the rest of the schedule is a bunch of jokes, in reality it’s not that tough. Bc you only have to show up for 3 games all season. A schedule against a bunch of solid to good teams is much harder than a schedule against 2 powerhouses and a bunch of patsies, because every game is up for grabs in a schedule where almost all the teams are decent to good. That’s what ND is kind of facing this year. Yes, there are a few games that should be cakewalks. But in general, we have a bunch of games where we’ll be playing decent teams/programs, and not a lot of games that are just jokes: Nevada, UM (sucks), MSU, Purdue, USC, BC, Pitt, Navy, UCONN and Stanford are all decent squads. It’s not Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Florida, (nobody plays that schedule anyway), but it’s not a bunch of lame ducks either.
2) There aren’t many outright patsies on the schedule. Washington and WSU are certainly 2. But at least they’re D1 programs, and many expect improvement for UW now that Ty is gone. There are none, zero, zip DII programs on ND’s sked. “Top” teams are scheduling 2-3 of these games a year, along with “D1″ programs like some WAC and MAC opponents that might as well be D2. ND doesn’t do this. ND’s “gimme” games are always D1 programs, and usually decent competition. Sure, WSU and Washington aren’t scaring anyone much. But it’s not Podunk U Community College either.
3) If ND’s sked is so soft that even an undefeated or a solid 1-loss season wouldn’t put them in the NC game, then the following teams shouldn’t make it with a 1-loss or undefeated season either: Michigan (29th SOS), Florida (34), Ohio State (39), Texas (40), Clemson (45), Cal (51), Oregon St (55), Alabama (68!!!), Penn State (72!!!). According to these folks, the only teams that can really lay claim to an NC game appearance then, should they make it, are teams with Top 20 SOS. That means the only teams that even have a shot are probably in this group of decent programs with Top 20 SOS: Oklahoma, Arkansas, Georgia, Virginia Tech, Tennessee, MSU, Oregon, Miami, USC, Texas Tech. Pretty much everyone else should just give up right? Pack your bags for some other game and give up your hopes of a NC right now because there’s no chance. Their schedules are sooooo weak, they have no chance whatsoever!!!. Florida? Sorry fellas. Your sked is too weak. Give up now. Alabama and Penn State? HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! No.
Why do people say the schedule is soft when it’s not? A few reasons:
1) The relative to ND’s past thing. Yes, it’s soft compared to the past. But if you always had the hardest schedule in the country, #5 SOS would all of a sudden seem soft. It’s all relative.
2) ND is ND. This focus on the ND sked is a product of ND being ND as well. Last year, Alabama was 1 game away from the NC game. You know what their SOS was (according to Sagarin)? F-ing in the 70’s. 70’s!!!! You see this again this year. No one batted an eye last year and they’re not this year either. Why? Bc they’re not ND. They would’ve played for a NC game with a SOS of 70 in the blink of an eye last year. This year, there are pundits and fans and haters alike all saying that if ND goes 11-1 or 12-0 we STILL won’t have a chance bc of the weak schedule. REALLY? Bama can get in on a schedule in the 70’s but ND can’t when they play a SOS in the 30’s? Give me a break.
3) Service Academies. Haters LOOOOOVE to say “but they play Army and Navy and Air Force, blah blah blah”. First, besides Army, those are decent programs. Both Navy and Air Force are annual Bowl contenders, and they are tough as nails. This is NOTHING like playing Troy, people.
Yes, I’d like to see a few more big time matchups on the ND schedule. I’d also like to see a home slate that’s more appetizing. But this whole ND soft schedule thing has gone far enough. Go write/complain about the other 76 out of the 112 FBS teams that have a weaker schedule first, then come whining to me about ND, okay? Okay.
Go Arsh, beat whoever the hell they throw at us!
Disclaimer: Personally, I don’t think you can rank SOS accurately until midway through, or the end of, a season. How can you really know how tough an opponent will be until you actually see them play a bit? I have the same issue with pre-season rankings. It all makes zero sense. That said, the point here is that ND’s sked, by Steele’s measure, isn’t killer by any stretch. But it certainly shouldn’t be focused on as a negative more than any other team in the 30’s or higher, especially not moreso than squads like Alabama or Penn State who are playing High School JV teams week in and week out…
san diego irish
True that. When I say the Irish schedule isn’t that tough I mean that it has a bunch of very winnable games, and not necessarily that they play a bunch of cream puffs ala Alabama. There needs to be some analysis of the team in question relative to its schedule. For example, there is only one team on the Irish schedule that has more talent than ND, and only 1 team ranked higher than the Irish, hence my conclusion that they don’t exactly play a bunch of games that on paper should be tossups or losses. For the sake of comparison, if SDSU or even Nevada played ND’s sched, you might say that it’s a pretty solid slate, with a whole bunch of teams ranked between 30 and 60 plus a top 5 team. Like everything, it’s relative.
You’re right about preseason rankings. But just for the sake of argument, who on ND’s slate do you think is underrated or will surprise people?
July 16, 2009 at 5:10 pmDeepTeaKup
Biscuit,
That seemed liek a very long winded way to say “SOS can’t really be measured until games are played”. A sentiment I completely agree with by the way.
Personally, I think ND is getting the “soft schedule” rap for a few reasons:
1) It seems like they are not playing the type of schedule they used to play in the past, Miami, FSU games are gone. Yes, you’re playing a lot of BCS teams (9?) but they just don’t “seem” to be the juggernauts that many people are used to seeing ND play.
2) Honestly, the service academies, and dont get me wrong I do respect them a great deal, but they have no business being on the field with an upper level BCS team. Too lazy to look it up but what real quality victories do any of them have over the past few years? I know everyone is scheduling patsies (and it make ssense to do so unless you’re UM and edn up losing), and these are your patsies. It’s just the facts.
One more point, in terms of the “no way they make the NC game with that schedule”, IMO< I think this is a by-product of some of the anti-Big10 sentimnet you are seeing. People are tired of seeign midwest teams getting smoked in BCS games.
July 16, 2009 at 7:19 pmMatt '09
Of the 112 teams (I thought it was 119, btw), I wonder where the “BCS conference” schools fall in terms of SOS. True, we may be 36 out off 112 (119?), but we may well be ~25 out of 66. Still above average, but not so markedly. It would make sense that the non-BCS conferences average weaker schedules, since the majority of their games are against their weaker conference…although there are more sacrificial home-and-nothing series these days to skew that.
July 16, 2009 at 9:13 pmTed
Biscuit,
What you have written is very good, and I believe more blogs should be saying the same thing.
I didn’t do the research you have, but I did look at the schedules of Ohio State, FL, USC, TX, and OK. For one, Florida has three games which should be absolute patsies, when you cosider they will be contenders to play for the NC in January.
Notre Dame doesn’t have to apologize for their schedule. My bet for the most underrated team on our schedule is Nevada, and I would include Stanford in that category.
July 17, 2009 at 9:42 ambrendan
There are really two ways to talk about SOS: the average quality of opponent and the difficulty of attaining a certain record. SEC schools look at ND and see USC, a bunch of “pretty good” teams, and a couple of patsies. A pretty good team with some good breaks could be 9-3 or even 10-2 but could also have a sub-.500 record. Then there’s the other type of schedule where you have 7 patsies and then Oklahoma, Oregon, USC, Florida, and Penn State (hypothetical). The average quality might be the same as ND’s but it’s going to be hard to be better than 8-4 but at least 7 wins is esentially a slam dunk. So whenever people start debating SOS you have to clarify what you mean.
July 17, 2009 at 9:57 amIrish Fever
GO IRISH BEAT USC!!!!!!! thats what is all about, lets win a title!!!!!
July 17, 2009 at 10:54 ambrendan
So to clarify my previous post: an 11-1 team with a SOS lower than ND’s would (IMO) deserve a shot at the NC over an 11-1 ND team if they could only get to 11-1 by beating 3 premier opponents (even if 7 of their wins were gimmes) while ND could get to 11-1 by beating a bunch of pretty good teams but no premier teams.
July 17, 2009 at 11:00 amThe Biscuit
DTK, I strongly disagree with your point on the Academies. Playing Navy and Air Force is MUCH MUCH MUCH different than playing DII teams or some sub-state team (by that I mean West [INSERT STATE HERE]. Navy would kick the living hell out of Western or Eastern Michigan. So would Air Force. So if our “patsies” are way better than yours, doesn’t that tell you something?
July 17, 2009 at 11:12 amThe Biscuit
And BTW DTK, last year Navy beat Rutgers and #16 Wake Forest. Those are quality wins, and that’s just last year. Do they belong in the same breath as FL or LSU? Clearly not. But they’re not DII or Eastern/Western Michigan either, which is my point.
July 17, 2009 at 11:35 amFightingSonOfNotreDame
Great post brah
July 17, 2009 at 12:29 pmKevin
True dat, brother.
July 17, 2009 at 5:19 pmDeepTeaKup
Biscuit, I will give you Navy, fair enough. Like I said I was too lazy to look it up, I also think they will suffer without Johnson as HC. Army and Air Force though?
My larger point was that ND’s schedule is nowhere near as “special” as it used to be. Which, if you want to play in a NC game at some point is probably a good thing
July 17, 2009 at 5:21 pmDeepTeaKup
BTW, I think DI teams playing outside of D1 is pathetic, UM included (insert App State joke wherever).
July 17, 2009 at 5:22 pmbrendan
DTK,
July 17, 2009 at 6:07 pmI would argue that Air Force is legit as well, though not as good as Navy. Sure, Army is a cupcake, but in my opinion there’s a world of difference underlying a scheduling philosophy in scheduling a cupcake b/c of your long and storied history with them rather than b/c for a mere $750K you can get a “free” win. If decades from now Ohio State became a regular 1-11 team, no one should fault Michigan for scheduling them and no one should fault ND’s scheduling of Army.
carey christensen
While I wholeheartly agree with much of your rational – picking on Troy is just wrong. They are being picked by Steele himself to finish at 31 I believe. This is a good program and would stand and probably defeat the academies year to year. This will be Florida’s ONLY test of any kind before they start SEC play.
July 17, 2009 at 7:00 pmI am a golden domer and love the Irish but schedules are usually made several years in advance – especially with the POWER PROGRAMS which include ND. This year just happens to be down.
The Biscuit
DTK, Army is also the Academy we play least frequently. Navy is the only perennial.
Carey, sorry if it was a bad example, or to make Troy the poster boy for Eastern [INSERT STATE] or FAU or whatever. Just the first that came to mind. I agree with the scheduling way in advance sentiment.
July 17, 2009 at 7:07 pmtrey
The whole “Service academy” argument only gained momentum a few years ago when, for the first time(ever or in a long time?) we played all three in one year. That’s just not the case in a regular season. As Biscuit said, the only perennial we play is Navy, so if we ever sched one of the others, that’s still only two of the services in one season.
Also, AF is in a really down cycle the last few years, but they had REALLY solid teams in the past. Remember Fischer Deberry?
July 18, 2009 at 12:59 am