Comments on: Tom Thayer Says It Best http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/12/tom-thayer-says-it-best/ The Worst Thing To Ever Happen To ND Football Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:42:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jason http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/12/tom-thayer-says-it-best/comment-page-1/#comment-173477 Jason Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:00:48 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2672#comment-173477 I personally think that zone blocking is the best thing since sliced bread. It all depends on what you know how to coach. My team can run about fifteen plays off of two simple schemes. Our linemen work on the inside and outside zone all day, everyday and they get good at it. It is 80% of our offense. It is true that you lose ground to gain position. You must do this to gain leverage. The first step is geometry. You must have your second step in the ground before you make contact. There are three types of leverage. Gap leverage, pad level leverage, and hand leverage. If a player just fires out and hits the man that is lined up a foot in front of him, he will not get his second step in the ground and his pad level will raise straight up. He also will never get gap leverage. Defensive movement would hurt the play. Zone blocking allows for double teams at the point of attack, is a built in answer to slants, holds up to any front, and forces the defense to be scheme and assignment sound. Coaches have to teach what they know how to coach. Some understand zone blocking, some don't. Most teams do not have a Tom Thayer. If they did and he could block everybody by himself, they could run a one man iso scheme. I personally think that zone blocking is the best thing since sliced bread. It all depends on what you know how to coach. My team can run about fifteen plays off of two simple schemes. Our linemen work on the inside and outside zone all day, everyday and they get good at it. It is 80% of our offense. It is true that you lose ground to gain position. You must do this to gain leverage. The first step is geometry. You must have your second step in the ground before you make contact. There are three types of leverage. Gap leverage, pad level leverage, and hand leverage. If a player just fires out and hits the man that is lined up a foot in front of him, he will not get his second step in the ground and his pad level will raise straight up. He also will never get gap leverage. Defensive movement would hurt the play. Zone blocking allows for double teams at the point of attack, is a built in answer to slants, holds up to any front, and forces the defense to be scheme and assignment sound. Coaches have to teach what they know how to coach. Some understand zone blocking, some don’t. Most teams do not have a Tom Thayer. If they did and he could block everybody by himself, they could run a one man iso scheme.

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]]> By: Mona Strayve http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/12/tom-thayer-says-it-best/comment-page-1/#comment-93044 Mona Strayve Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:55:15 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2672#comment-93044 Hello My husband played HS football against Joliet Catholic.. his dream is to meet him.. My Husband is Chuck Strayve let me know if there is any where Mr. Thayer would be that we could meet him.. Thanks MONA STRAYVE 630 742 7468 Hello
My husband played HS football against Joliet Catholic.. his dream is to meet him.. My Husband is Chuck Strayve let me know if there is any where Mr. Thayer would be that we could meet him.. Thanks MONA STRAYVE 630 742 7468

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]]> By: trey http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/12/tom-thayer-says-it-best/comment-page-1/#comment-82223 trey Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:26:42 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2672#comment-82223 Ill let yall argue this one, it's totally out of my realm of expertise. I was a CB in high school, so come back when we're talking Tampa 2 and coverage schemes. Ill let yall argue this one, it’s totally out of my realm of expertise. I was a CB in high school, so come back when we’re talking Tampa 2 and coverage schemes.

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]]> By: Craig http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/12/tom-thayer-says-it-best/comment-page-1/#comment-82161 Craig Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:24:59 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2672#comment-82161 What's fundamentally broken isn't doing zone blocking (Thayer and/or Hansen managed to completely miss that a lot of very effective college offenses use zone blocking), it's the way that it's designed and/or taught and consequently executed. What’s fundamentally broken isn’t doing zone blocking (Thayer and/or Hansen managed to completely miss that a lot of very effective college offenses use zone blocking), it’s the way that it’s designed and/or taught and consequently executed.

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]]> By: The Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/12/tom-thayer-says-it-best/comment-page-1/#comment-82137 The Biscuit Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:16:45 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2672#comment-82137 even though you called me stupid, i think we actually agree. either you fix the scheme, or you fix the execution of the scheme. given the past 2 years, it seems to me that the execution just ain't gonna happen, so you fix the scheme. i didnt think that it's fundamentally broken (thanks for the examples of where it actually works) in college in general, but i wasn't sure. but it's sure as heck fundamentally broken at ND. even though you called me stupid, i think we actually agree. either you fix the scheme, or you fix the execution of the scheme. given the past 2 years, it seems to me that the execution just ain’t gonna happen, so you fix the scheme. i didnt think that it’s fundamentally broken (thanks for the examples of where it actually works) in college in general, but i wasn’t sure. but it’s sure as heck fundamentally broken at ND.

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]]> By: domer.mq http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/12/tom-thayer-says-it-best/comment-page-1/#comment-82136 domer.mq Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:12:27 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2672#comment-82136 Also, Mark, there's no way Weis has been recruiting OL for a zone scheme. It just makes no sense what he's done there. The man has years of experience drafting and signing free agents to fit the zone scheme that worked in New England, and yet he recruits the biggest, most plodding bodies he can find at ND. And then he bulks them up. It's so odd. Also, Mark, there’s no way Weis has been recruiting OL for a zone scheme. It just makes no sense what he’s done there. The man has years of experience drafting and signing free agents to fit the zone scheme that worked in New England, and yet he recruits the biggest, most plodding bodies he can find at ND. And then he bulks them up. It’s so odd.

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]]> By: domer.mq http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/12/tom-thayer-says-it-best/comment-page-1/#comment-82135 domer.mq Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:11:15 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2672#comment-82135 DTK, with all due respect, UM(s!) ran a really poor zone. Well, they executed it poorly. Luckily they had a robot of a RB and a particular OL with his own gravitational pull. Mark, the running plays are really all that would change with a new blocking scheme, and really you could just change it to be so old school that all of the OL and RBs would remember most of it from HS. DTK, with all due respect, UM(s!) ran a really poor zone. Well, they executed it poorly. Luckily they had a robot of a RB and a particular OL with his own gravitational pull.

Mark, the running plays are really all that would change with a new blocking scheme, and really you could just change it to be so old school that all of the OL and RBs would remember most of it from HS.

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]]> By: DeepTeaKup http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/12/tom-thayer-says-it-best/comment-page-1/#comment-82134 DeepTeaKup Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:01:14 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2672#comment-82134 domer, it may work but after watching UM run zone strect plays for 2-3 years I can say that I hate it. I like an O-Line that lines up and hits as many people as they can, anything else is crap as Thayer said. domer, it may work but after watching UM run zone strect plays for 2-3 years I can say that I hate it. I like an O-Line that lines up and hits as many people as they can, anything else is crap as Thayer said.

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]]> By: mark http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/12/tom-thayer-says-it-best/comment-page-1/#comment-82133 mark Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:55:05 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2672#comment-82133 I thought coaches are supposed to recruit players to their scheme, not match scheme to players. Is it really possible to take Charlie's playbook and change it from zone blocking? I know little about x's and o's, but that seems a tough change to make, especially if you are trying to flip back and forth your scheme to fit your players skills. From what I've read, zone blocking can/does work in college, so if it won't work with our current players, ND (and CW by extension) may just be SOL, regardless of who is brought in to replace Latina. That makes me sad, as I was hoping that maybe we just bring in some zone blocking guru and everything would be all right. I thought coaches are supposed to recruit players to their scheme, not match scheme to players. Is it really possible to take Charlie’s playbook and change it from zone blocking? I know little about x’s and o’s, but that seems a tough change to make, especially if you are trying to flip back and forth your scheme to fit your players skills. From what I’ve read, zone blocking can/does work in college, so if it won’t work with our current players, ND (and CW by extension) may just be SOL, regardless of who is brought in to replace Latina. That makes me sad, as I was hoping that maybe we just bring in some zone blocking guru and everything would be all right.

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]]> By: domer.mq http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/12/tom-thayer-says-it-best/comment-page-1/#comment-82132 domer.mq Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:51:57 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2672#comment-82132 Also, SoCal and Oklahoma use zone schemes, so I think it's fair to say it works in college. Also, SoCal and Oklahoma use zone schemes, so I think it’s fair to say it works in college.

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