Comments on: The Other Side of the Coin http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/03/the-other-side-of-the-coin/ The Worst Thing To Ever Happen To ND Football Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:42:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Her Loyal Sons » BREAKING: Biscuit Okay, Not Thrilled with Weis’ Return http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/03/the-other-side-of-the-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-81140 Her Loyal Sons » BREAKING: Biscuit Okay, Not Thrilled with Weis’ Return Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:05:46 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2570#comment-81140 [...] the globe, and after Weis’ return to the team was officially announced, Biscuit further clarified his stance. Contrary to what many of you may think, I’m not at all thrilled about Charlie sticking around. [...] [...] the globe, and after Weis’ return to the team was officially announced, Biscuit further clarified his stance. Contrary to what many of you may think, I’m not at all thrilled about Charlie sticking around. [...]

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]]> By: The Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/03/the-other-side-of-the-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-81106 The Biscuit Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:04:43 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2570#comment-81106 BK, maybe you're right. But I'm pretty sure the last month has shaved 3 years from DomerMQ's life, and about a month off mine...so not a bad change for me all-around I'd say. Sadly DTK I think you're right - UF will be back in the NC vs. OK. Lord I hope OK wins. BK, maybe you’re right. But I’m pretty sure the last month has shaved 3 years from DomerMQ’s life, and about a month off mine…so not a bad change for me all-around I’d say.

Sadly DTK I think you’re right – UF will be back in the NC vs. OK. Lord I hope OK wins.

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]]> By: DeepTeaKup http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/03/the-other-side-of-the-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-81037 DeepTeaKup Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:23:33 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2570#comment-81037 Biscuit, Great point on Bama. SEC West was bad this year, UT was down, and that win over Clemson stopped looking impressive after week 2. I think they are still a great team but I would not be suprised to see UF win big on Sat. Biscuit,

Great point on Bama. SEC West was bad this year, UT was down, and that win over Clemson stopped looking impressive after week 2. I think they are still a great team but I would not be suprised to see UF win big on Sat.

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]]> By: Bad Kermit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/03/the-other-side-of-the-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-81036 Bad Kermit Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:17:40 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2570#comment-81036 <i>I’m saying that my expectations for this year were pretty tempered, as I still saw a ton of structural issues that hadn’t been fixed in the off-season. Others that had higher expectations are freaking out. It appears you had higher expectations as well. I’m certainly not happy, but I think that’s why I’m not as fire-and-brimstone as everyone else.</i> I'm on record as having predicted 6 or 7 wins for this team, and I'm pissed. I think laid-back California living has gotten into your blood. This non-aggression will not stand! I’m saying that my expectations for this year were pretty tempered, as I still saw a ton of structural issues that hadn’t been fixed in the off-season. Others that had higher expectations are freaking out. It appears you had higher expectations as well. I’m certainly not happy, but I think that’s why I’m not as fire-and-brimstone as everyone else.

I’m on record as having predicted 6 or 7 wins for this team, and I’m pissed. I think laid-back California living has gotten into your blood. This non-aggression will not stand!

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]]> By: The Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/03/the-other-side-of-the-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-81033 The Biscuit Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:53:49 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2570#comment-81033 yeah DTK, seems like everyone thinks that our schedule is 'weak' when it'just weak-ER than past years. just bc ND no longer plays all ranked teams doesnt mean it's a weak schedule. we're right around the top 1/3rd, which is perfect if you ask me. top 25 is a bit tough (especially with a young team) and anything below 40 is getting too week. I like being right in the 30's. Respectable but not insane. look at 'Bama - freaking #78! nobody calls that weak though - nope! yeah DTK, seems like everyone thinks that our schedule is ‘weak’ when it’just weak-ER than past years. just bc ND no longer plays all ranked teams doesnt mean it’s a weak schedule. we’re right around the top 1/3rd, which is perfect if you ask me. top 25 is a bit tough (especially with a young team) and anything below 40 is getting too week. I like being right in the 30′s. Respectable but not insane. look at ‘Bama – freaking #78! nobody calls that weak though – nope!

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]]> By: DeepTeaKup http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/03/the-other-side-of-the-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-81031 DeepTeaKup Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:48:15 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2570#comment-81031 Biscuit, My bad, miread the chart. 36th is not bad, guess I'm just used to ND being top 10 for SOS. Biscuit,

My bad, miread the chart. 36th is not bad, guess I’m just used to ND being top 10 for SOS.

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]]> By: san diego irish http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/03/the-other-side-of-the-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-81026 san diego irish Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:00:20 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2570#comment-81026 Good post Biscuit. The reason that the offensive performance didn't improve over the course of the season like the defense did was because you can't improve with shitty offensive line play. Half way through the season teams starting playing exclusively cover 2, with multiple DBs and just begging ND to run the ball and they couldn't. If your offensive line can't run block, and isn't great at pass blocking, you have problems that no amount of offensive genius-ness could overcome. I don't think you can hang that on Weis (Plenty of other things are his fault). He can't be expected to teach the O lineman how to block. At the risk of sounding overly optimistic, I do believe that better offensive line play and a few less mistakes by Jimmy could yield vast improvements next year. As far as the defense goes, Weis should get at least some of the credit for the D's performance given that he recruited most of the defensive players and was smart enough to recruit Brown and Tenuta and turn the defense over to them. The D will be even better next year as some of these kids start to mature. If ND gets Teo or Jenkins, the D might be very good next year. Good arguments have been made that Weis should be canned, but there are arguments for him staying also. I do think there is still reason to believe he might get it done even if the odds are against him. Good post Biscuit.

The reason that the offensive performance didn’t improve over the course of the season like the defense did was because you can’t improve with shitty offensive line play. Half way through the season teams starting playing exclusively cover 2, with multiple DBs and just begging ND to run the ball and they couldn’t. If your offensive line can’t run block, and isn’t great at pass blocking, you have problems that no amount of offensive genius-ness could overcome. I don’t think you can hang that on Weis (Plenty of other things are his fault). He can’t be expected to teach the O lineman how to block.

At the risk of sounding overly optimistic, I do believe that better offensive line play and a few less mistakes by Jimmy could yield vast improvements next year.

As far as the defense goes, Weis should get at least some of the credit for the D’s performance given that he recruited most of the defensive players and was smart enough to recruit Brown and Tenuta and turn the defense over to them. The D will be even better next year as some of these kids start to mature. If ND gets Teo or Jenkins, the D might be very good next year.

Good arguments have been made that Weis should be canned, but there are arguments for him staying also. I do think there is still reason to believe he might get it done even if the odds are against him.

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]]> By: The Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/03/the-other-side-of-the-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-81022 The Biscuit Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:22:33 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2570#comment-81022 And DTK, I'm not sure I get your point on the schedule. To me, the 36th ranked SOS is pretty tough for a young team. No, it's not the toughest ever or anything like that, but it's also not in the 70's. And DTK, I’m not sure I get your point on the schedule. To me, the 36th ranked SOS is pretty tough for a young team. No, it’s not the toughest ever or anything like that, but it’s also not in the 70′s.

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]]> By: The Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/03/the-other-side-of-the-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-81021 The Biscuit Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:20:42 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2570#comment-81021 DTK, I do 'expect more'. Again, me being okay with the non-firing doesn't mean i'm happy or that i love weis and think he's a great coach. i just think that given the alternative (another crappy hire of a mid-level coach along with a mass defection of recruits and paying a bajillion dollar buyout), keeping him was right on. i'll write a post on it, then we can argue over that, point by point. DTK, I do ‘expect more’. Again, me being okay with the non-firing doesn’t mean i’m happy or that i love weis and think he’s a great coach. i just think that given the alternative (another crappy hire of a mid-level coach along with a mass defection of recruits and paying a bajillion dollar buyout), keeping him was right on. i’ll write a post on it, then we can argue over that, point by point.

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]]> By: The Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/12/03/the-other-side-of-the-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-81018 The Biscuit Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:14:01 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2570#comment-81018 Then I'm not sure why you said the discussion should be about 10-12 wins vs 6 or 7. The last month completely sucked - I'm not saying it didn't. We were horrid against Syracuse and horrid against SC. We were not horrid against Pitt or UNC or MSU. We were OK, and not too far from pulling out wins. After 3-9, I was liking where we were. (again, last month = suckitude) I'm saying that my expectations for this year were pretty tempered, as I still saw a ton of structural issues that hadn't been fixed in the off-season. Others that had higher expectations are freaking out. It appears you had higher expectations as well. I'm certainly not happy, but I think that's why I'm not as fire-and-brimstone as everyone else. I also don't know how you 'know' what this team could have been with 'proper' preparation. How is it that you know this, and what is it that they could have been? I think this team could've been 7-5 with an 8-4 lean maybe, at best. Then I’m not sure why you said the discussion should be about 10-12 wins vs 6 or 7. The last month completely sucked – I’m not saying it didn’t. We were horrid against Syracuse and horrid against SC. We were not horrid against Pitt or UNC or MSU. We were OK, and not too far from pulling out wins. After 3-9, I was liking where we were. (again, last month = suckitude) I’m saying that my expectations for this year were pretty tempered, as I still saw a ton of structural issues that hadn’t been fixed in the off-season. Others that had higher expectations are freaking out. It appears you had higher expectations as well. I’m certainly not happy, but I think that’s why I’m not as fire-and-brimstone as everyone else. I also don’t know how you ‘know’ what this team could have been with ‘proper’ preparation. How is it that you know this, and what is it that they could have been? I think this team could’ve been 7-5 with an 8-4 lean maybe, at best.

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