Comments on: Things I Say that You Do Not Think http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/11/11/thing-i-say-that-you-do-not-think/ The Worst Thing To Ever Happen To ND Football Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:42:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: solo076 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/11/11/thing-i-say-that-you-do-not-think/comment-page-1/#comment-78477 solo076 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:01:14 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2437#comment-78477 Great posts. I concur on several points. Switching to baseball for just a moment I think that most would conclude on paper the Yankees are the best team in baseball. Not just for the money factor but position for position they are some of the best in the league. Having said that it gave me great pride to see the upstart Rays beat them and Boston this year. They too are young but have talent. A separating factor is the heart and desire. I feel that the Irish would be far better if they showed that desire more. There is little senior leadership on this team as was pointed out on some other posts and that hurts. They have some great talent and I think that they are putting too much pressure on themselves to win. We as fans do not help. Last year was a blessing in that they should have little expectations and only desire to function as a team and improve the fundamentals of their game. The talent is there and so is the talent in the coaching staff. I would only recommend that CW be fired if there were no positive changes being made. If people look closely there have been changes every game both this year and last. The line has improved dramatically. Clausen is smarter about reading defenses and doing a better job of getting rid of the ball. Stat wise he is ahead of Brady at this time in tenure. This year he has WR playmakers that I feel are better than what Brady had as a whole (MF will be the next Irish Heisman contender). The Irish lack a running game. That hurts but check the recruits last two years the Irish have brought in some decent talent at the position, and 09 recruits are looking good as well. The d-line has suffered the loss of Laws but the secondary is better as a whole. Given a top rated pass rusher the d would be terrific. This time next year we will be singing praise and as already stated by others be a solid contending team. Great posts. I concur on several points. Switching to baseball for just a moment I think that most would conclude on paper the Yankees are the best team in baseball. Not just for the money factor but position for position they are some of the best in the league. Having said that it gave me great pride to see the upstart Rays beat them and Boston this year. They too are young but have talent. A separating factor is the heart and desire. I feel that the Irish would be far better if they showed that desire more. There is little senior leadership on this team as was pointed out on some other posts and that hurts. They have some great talent and I think that they are putting too much pressure on themselves to win. We as fans do not help. Last year was a blessing in that they should have little expectations and only desire to function as a team and improve the fundamentals of their game. The talent is there and so is the talent in the coaching staff. I would only recommend that CW be fired if there were no positive changes being made. If people look closely there have been changes every game both this year and last. The line has improved dramatically. Clausen is smarter about reading defenses and doing a better job of getting rid of the ball. Stat wise he is ahead of Brady at this time in tenure. This year he has WR playmakers that I feel are better than what Brady had as a whole (MF will be the next Irish Heisman contender). The Irish lack a running game. That hurts but check the recruits last two years the Irish have brought in some decent talent at the position, and 09 recruits are looking good as well. The d-line has suffered the loss of Laws but the secondary is better as a whole. Given a top rated pass rusher the d would be terrific. This time next year we will be singing praise and as already stated by others be a solid contending team.

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]]> By: The Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/11/11/thing-i-say-that-you-do-not-think/comment-page-1/#comment-78440 The Biscuit Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:19:41 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2437#comment-78440 dauoo, please hold still while i rip your comment to shreds. Your first point: "Here is the combined record of teams ND has beaten this year: 12-28. Not one of those teams has a winning record. Here’s the 2007 teams combined: 11-26. Not 1 of those teams had a winning record." My counterpoint: I specifically said that progress is going from losing to teams you shouldn't lose to to beating those you should. ND is beating the teams they should. They're not beating the teams they shouldn't. This shows there's a lot of improving to be done, but does not refute that progress has been made. Hence, your point is irrelevant, as you so aptly put. Your second point: "Notre Dame is 13-15 in bowl games with the majority of the loses coming in the last 13 years. Notre Dames last bowl win was in 1994; they have lost their last 9." Counterpoint: How is this freaking relevant to the above? Other than the 2 bowl games that Weis coached in and lost, what's the relevance? Unless you're blaming all of ND's bowl losses on Weis (why not? let's blame him for the big BC upset in 93 while we're at it!), I don't get it. Your third point: "As an Independent ND makes it’s own schedule. Next year ND only plays 1 team that is a BCS top 10 team, USC. 2 of the teams on the schedule; Washington and Washington St, haven’t won a game this year." Counterpoint: Schedules are set YEARS in advance. When these games were set in stone, the Big Ten was much stronger. Michigan was a perennial power. Besides, look at the BCS top 10. If we had scheduled Texas Tech 5 years ago you would've said "why are we scheduling such WEAK teams". C'mon man, you're going to blame Weis and/or the team and/or the admin for not being able to predict the freaking future? Give me a break. Your final point: "I think it’s time for some realism." Counterpoint: I think it's time for some rationale thoughts and arguments. dauoo, please hold still while i rip your comment to shreds.

Your first point: “Here is the combined record of teams ND has beaten this year: 12-28. Not one of those teams has a winning record. Here’s the 2007 teams combined: 11-26. Not 1 of those teams had a winning record.”

My counterpoint: I specifically said that progress is going from losing to teams you shouldn’t lose to to beating those you should. ND is beating the teams they should. They’re not beating the teams they shouldn’t. This shows there’s a lot of improving to be done, but does not refute that progress has been made. Hence, your point is irrelevant, as you so aptly put.

Your second point: “Notre Dame is 13-15 in bowl games with the majority of the loses coming in the last 13 years. Notre Dames last bowl win was in 1994; they have lost their last 9.”

Counterpoint: How is this freaking relevant to the above? Other than the 2 bowl games that Weis coached in and lost, what’s the relevance? Unless you’re blaming all of ND’s bowl losses on Weis (why not? let’s blame him for the big BC upset in 93 while we’re at it!), I don’t get it.

Your third point: “As an Independent ND makes it’s own schedule. Next year ND only plays 1 team that is a BCS top 10 team, USC. 2 of the teams on the schedule; Washington and Washington St, haven’t won a game this year.”

Counterpoint: Schedules are set YEARS in advance. When these games were set in stone, the Big Ten was much stronger. Michigan was a perennial power. Besides, look at the BCS top 10. If we had scheduled Texas Tech 5 years ago you would’ve said “why are we scheduling such WEAK teams”. C’mon man, you’re going to blame Weis and/or the team and/or the admin for not being able to predict the freaking future? Give me a break.

Your final point: “I think it’s time for some realism.”

Counterpoint: I think it’s time for some rationale thoughts and arguments.

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]]> By: tjak http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/11/11/thing-i-say-that-you-do-not-think/comment-page-1/#comment-78437 tjak Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:38:28 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2437#comment-78437 Hey dauoo, thanks for the friggin reality therapy. To me this is not about blind support; even the biscuit says it is fair game after 2009. It is about why one is a fan or a supporter at all of any team. I am an Irish fan, a NHL Habs fan, a CFL Blue Bombers fan, a NFL 49er's fan, a MLB Blue Jays fan and a NBA Celtics fan. Save the Celtics who were nothing until last year, nothing I cheer for has won a title of any stripe since the niners in 1995. It has been a dry spell dude. I tell you, well meaning friends ask why I bothered cheering through all the mediocrity. The answer my friend is that I made a choice to cheer for these teams. The reasons are irrelevant, I made the choice and loyalty is what makes one a true fan. I have no problem with people venting their angst and frustrations-this is our right as fans; Saturday night was an awful night and maybe I should no longer let sports set the agenda for the mood in our home. However, true fans are there through thick and thin and if and when Charlie goes I will get his back. BTW I did the same for Davie and Willingham. Hey dauoo, thanks for the friggin reality therapy. To me this is not about blind support; even the biscuit says it is fair game after 2009. It is about why one is a fan or a supporter at all of any team. I am an Irish fan, a NHL Habs fan, a CFL Blue Bombers fan, a NFL 49er’s fan, a MLB Blue Jays fan and a NBA Celtics fan. Save the Celtics who were nothing until last year, nothing I cheer for has won a title of any stripe since the niners in 1995. It has been a dry spell dude. I tell you, well meaning friends ask why I bothered cheering through all the mediocrity. The answer my friend is that I made a choice to cheer for these teams. The reasons are irrelevant, I made the choice and loyalty is what makes one a true fan. I have no problem with people venting their angst and frustrations-this is our right as fans; Saturday night was an awful night and maybe I should no longer let sports set the agenda for the mood in our home. However, true fans are there through thick and thin and if and when Charlie goes I will get his back. BTW I did the same for Davie and Willingham.

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]]> By: dauoo http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/11/11/thing-i-say-that-you-do-not-think/comment-page-1/#comment-78423 dauoo Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:43:08 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2437#comment-78423 <strong>Warning</strong>: <em>HLS computers have tagged the comment below as pointless and not really pertinent to the conversation. Proceed with caution.</em> Here is the combined record of teams ND has beaten this year: 12-28. Not one of those teams has a winning record. Here's the 2007 teams combined: 11-26. Not 1 of those teams had a winning record. Notre Dame is 13-15 in bowl games with the majority of the loses coming in the last 13 years. Notre Dames last bowl win was in 1994; they have lost their last 9. As an Independent ND makes it's own schedule. Next year ND only plays 1 team that is a BCS top 10 team, USC. 2 of the teams on the schedule; Washington and Washington St, haven't won a game this year. I think it's time for some realism. Warning: HLS computers have tagged the comment below as pointless and not really pertinent to the conversation. Proceed with caution.

Here is the combined record of teams ND has beaten this year: 12-28. Not one of those teams has a winning record. Here’s the 2007 teams combined: 11-26. Not 1 of those teams had a winning record. Notre Dame is 13-15 in bowl games with the majority of the loses coming in the last 13 years. Notre Dames last bowl win was in 1994; they have lost their last 9. As an Independent ND makes it’s own schedule. Next year ND only plays 1 team that is a BCS top 10 team, USC. 2 of the teams on the schedule; Washington and Washington St, haven’t won a game this year. I think it’s time for some realism.

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]]> By: jb http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/11/11/thing-i-say-that-you-do-not-think/comment-page-1/#comment-78412 jb Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:04:30 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2437#comment-78412 Amen. Let's cheer them on. That's our job as fans. Let everyone else, players, coaches, administrators do theres. Go Irish! Amen. Let’s cheer them on. That’s our job as fans. Let everyone else, players, coaches, administrators do theres. Go Irish!

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]]> By: JB8310 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/11/11/thing-i-say-that-you-do-not-think/comment-page-1/#comment-78407 JB8310 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:26:31 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2437#comment-78407 So glad to finally read a post that is the truth. This team is still VERY young, and while I would love ND to be 8-1 or 7-2 and ranked now, fans are expecting a bit much from a group of young players, some of who were playing high school ball only a year ago. Weis loves this school and certainly wants the best for it. I, too, am not off the bandwagon; yes, I'm disappointed with the NC/Pitt/BC losses, but I'm still hoping for a 7-5 season and a bowl win. GO IRISH!!! Beat Navy! So glad to finally read a post that is the truth. This team is still VERY young, and while I would love ND to be 8-1 or 7-2 and ranked now, fans are expecting a bit much from a group of young players, some of who were playing high school ball only a year ago. Weis loves this school and certainly wants the best for it. I, too, am not off the bandwagon; yes, I’m disappointed with the NC/Pitt/BC losses, but I’m still hoping for a 7-5 season and a bowl win. GO IRISH!!! Beat Navy!

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]]> By: Irish Queen http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/11/11/thing-i-say-that-you-do-not-think/comment-page-1/#comment-78396 Irish Queen Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:13:15 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2437#comment-78396 Finally! Someone has some perspective about this team. While I never coached, my father and his cousin were both high school and small college coaches many years ago. Both said that when Charlie was hired that this would be a long rebuilding process and their hope was that he would be given the time to complete the job. Too many fans expect this young team to live up to their expectations when it wasn't reasonable to begin with. The season is not over and wasn't wasted. Finally! Someone has some perspective about this team. While I never coached, my father and his cousin were both high school and small college coaches many years ago. Both said that when Charlie was hired that this would be a long rebuilding process and their hope was that he would be given the time to complete the job. Too many fans expect this young team to live up to their expectations when it wasn’t reasonable to begin with. The season is not over and wasn’t wasted.

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]]> By: Frommy http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/11/11/thing-i-say-that-you-do-not-think/comment-page-1/#comment-78394 Frommy Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:03:58 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2437#comment-78394 28 years out of ND, seen alot of ups and downs. Its still my school, and its still my team. Thanks for suggesting to some of our so called punk ass fans to sit down and shut up, or jump onto the next bandwagon that comes along. I hear Ball State is the hot football team in Indiana now, they might want to check things in Muncie. 28 years out of ND, seen alot of ups and downs. Its still my school, and its still my team. Thanks for suggesting to some of our so called punk ass fans to sit down and shut up, or jump onto the next bandwagon that comes along. I hear Ball State is the hot football team in Indiana now, they might want to check things in Muncie.

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]]> By: Rob http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/11/11/thing-i-say-that-you-do-not-think/comment-page-1/#comment-78386 Rob Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:28:47 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2437#comment-78386 Amen! At least someone seems to have retained their senses out in Irish fanboy land. Firing Charlie would be disastrous for this team. I, for one, would much rather see measured progress than a quantum leap, and we are seeing that progress. Get a grip folks. Amen! At least someone seems to have retained their senses out in Irish fanboy land. Firing Charlie would be disastrous for this team. I, for one, would much rather see measured progress than a quantum leap, and we are seeing that progress. Get a grip folks.

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]]> By: Soo http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/11/11/thing-i-say-that-you-do-not-think/comment-page-1/#comment-78382 Soo Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:37:11 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/?p=2437#comment-78382 I agree with you 100%.... thank you for constantly updating your blog :) I agree with you 100%…. thank you for constantly updating your blog :)

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