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		<title>By: tower 200</title>
		<link>http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/09/21/perspective-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-167319</link>
		<dc:creator>tower 200</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it a thirty day riskless trial?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it a thirty day riskless trial?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is comical.  I cant tell you how many nd fan&#039;s comments I have read that imply State was lucky to win the game and if nd had only not done this or done that, they would have won.  Ridiculous.  If Hoyer hits a wide-open reciever in the 3rd quarter, he is gone and the score ends up 30-7.  He didn&#039;t and so the score didn&#039;t.  Or that Ringer was no good except for his 63-yard run.  LOL  Never mind all of the first downs he had gotten for State on shorter runs.  Oh that&#039;s right, nd was &quot;keeping him in check&quot; at that point.  Face it, you lost to a team that outplayed you and wanted it more.

You also gotta love the prayer in the opposing team&#039;s end zone before the game....attended by only HALF the team.  Tell me that wasn&#039;t scripted.  Just wanna know why they weren&#039;t down there praying AFTER the game thanking God for their health, etc.  Why?  Because it was all for show.  Hypocrisy.

One final thought, what is up with the idiotic nd Marching band?!  They and the &quot;cheerleaders&quot; (who didn&#039;t lead a single cheer through the whole game but danced in place like night club strippers) mindlessly beat their drums and and danced after every play...INCLUDING THOSE BY STATE!  LOL  Looks like the band director knows as much about football as the as the coach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is comical.  I cant tell you how many nd fan&#8217;s comments I have read that imply State was lucky to win the game and if nd had only not done this or done that, they would have won.  Ridiculous.  If Hoyer hits a wide-open reciever in the 3rd quarter, he is gone and the score ends up 30-7.  He didn&#8217;t and so the score didn&#8217;t.  Or that Ringer was no good except for his 63-yard run.  LOL  Never mind all of the first downs he had gotten for State on shorter runs.  Oh that&#8217;s right, nd was &#8220;keeping him in check&#8221; at that point.  Face it, you lost to a team that outplayed you and wanted it more.</p>
<p>You also gotta love the prayer in the opposing team&#8217;s end zone before the game&#8230;.attended by only HALF the team.  Tell me that wasn&#8217;t scripted.  Just wanna know why they weren&#8217;t down there praying AFTER the game thanking God for their health, etc.  Why?  Because it was all for show.  Hypocrisy.</p>
<p>One final thought, what is up with the idiotic nd Marching band?!  They and the &#8220;cheerleaders&#8221; (who didn&#8217;t lead a single cheer through the whole game but danced in place like night club strippers) mindlessly beat their drums and and danced after every play&#8230;INCLUDING THOSE BY STATE!  LOL  Looks like the band director knows as much about football as the as the coach.</p>
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		<title>By: go IRSH</title>
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		<dc:creator>go IRSH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.) me too
2.) I think CW may get there, next one will require HC experience
3.) Same a Domer, at yeas end
4.) Same here too, CW is now closing it faster but there was an awfully long way to go.  That said, SC has a big gap on just about everyone.  It&#039;ll be the one off game that deters them from time to time - as much as I      to say it.

Post Script:  I just watched the replay of the game.  We actully played much better than I thought.  We should have had 5 total scores.  Defense was pretty stoudt.  Individual plays did determine the game.  The future is bright - the Coaches will coach them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.) me too<br />
2.) I think CW may get there, next one will require HC experience<br />
3.) Same a Domer, at yeas end<br />
4.) Same here too, CW is now closing it faster but there was an awfully long way to go.  That said, SC has a big gap on just about everyone.  It&#8217;ll be the one off game that deters them from time to time &#8211; as much as I      to say it.</p>
<p>Post Script:  I just watched the replay of the game.  We actully played much better than I thought.  We should have had 5 total scores.  Defense was pretty stoudt.  Individual plays did determine the game.  The future is bright &#8211; the Coaches will coach them up.</p>
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		<title>By: domer.mq</title>
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		<dc:creator>domer.mq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Yeah.  You must be.
2) ND should have a great coach.  Those who were left to manage the program abused it for years.  I do think Weis has the potential to be great.  I really do.  I think it&#039;s unfortunate he has to learn on the job, but c&#039;est la vie.  I&#039;ll deal with it now.
3) The small worries become serious concern right after this season is over.
4) I believe they&#039;re closing the gap, as much as they can, from a talent perspective.  And that&#039;s largely due to Weis.  I&#039;ll answer from a play perspective after this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Yeah.  You must be.<br />
2) ND should have a great coach.  Those who were left to manage the program abused it for years.  I do think Weis has the potential to be great.  I really do.  I think it&#8217;s unfortunate he has to learn on the job, but c&#8217;est la vie.  I&#8217;ll deal with it now.<br />
3) The small worries become serious concern right after this season is over.<br />
4) I believe they&#8217;re closing the gap, as much as they can, from a talent perspective.  And that&#8217;s largely due to Weis.  I&#8217;ll answer from a play perspective after this season.</p>
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		<title>By: DeepTeaKup</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeepTeaKup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, whatever else happens in his ND career, JC needs to get a decent haircut.

As to the perceived lack of progress with the ND program, let me provide a little outside perspective on this.  Compared to other programs, yeah I think it is safe to say that ND is taking a much longer road back to glory than others.  Look at CW&#039;s track record to date:

0-3 (very likely soon to be 0-4) vs USC and only really competive in one of those games
1-3 against MSU (including 1-2 since vowing &quot;to never lose to that team again&quot;)
2-2 against UM
0-2 in bowl games (yes, they were BCS games)


Not exactly the best track record against the three main BCS rivals ND plays each year (please do correct me if I have missed a major rival, I am really trying to be fair here).

Fact is that CW is also one of the top 5 highest paid coaches in CFB, in terms of comparison he is to be measured against guys like Urban, Stoops, Petey, and just for Biscuit, RichRod.  So if that is who he is to be compared to, honestly how does he stack up?  Granted circumstances are different at ND than other schools (academics, semi-bare cupboard from Ty) but CW knew this going in, this is not some new obstacle that has been thrown up since he got there.  

With that in mind, look at OU, USC, and LSU (under Saban) by years 3 &amp; 4 with new coaches they were in the NC mix.

Another question to ponder, has CW had what you mught call a &quot;landmark victory&quot; since he arrived at ND?  Again, not trying to flame, I really would like some input on this.

A few things in summary:

1. Wow, I must be really bored at work.
2. I think CW is a good coach but shouldn&#039;t ND have a great coach?  Does he have the potential to be great, I&#039;m not sure but domer and biscuit seem to think so.
3. At what point do the small worries you have about CW become serious concerns?
4. Do you really, honestly believe that ND is &quot;closing the gap&quot; with USC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, whatever else happens in his ND career, JC needs to get a decent haircut.</p>
<p>As to the perceived lack of progress with the ND program, let me provide a little outside perspective on this.  Compared to other programs, yeah I think it is safe to say that ND is taking a much longer road back to glory than others.  Look at CW&#8217;s track record to date:</p>
<p>0-3 (very likely soon to be 0-4) vs USC and only really competive in one of those games<br />
1-3 against MSU (including 1-2 since vowing &#8220;to never lose to that team again&#8221;)<br />
2-2 against UM<br />
0-2 in bowl games (yes, they were BCS games)</p>
<p>Not exactly the best track record against the three main BCS rivals ND plays each year (please do correct me if I have missed a major rival, I am really trying to be fair here).</p>
<p>Fact is that CW is also one of the top 5 highest paid coaches in CFB, in terms of comparison he is to be measured against guys like Urban, Stoops, Petey, and just for Biscuit, RichRod.  So if that is who he is to be compared to, honestly how does he stack up?  Granted circumstances are different at ND than other schools (academics, semi-bare cupboard from Ty) but CW knew this going in, this is not some new obstacle that has been thrown up since he got there.  </p>
<p>With that in mind, look at OU, USC, and LSU (under Saban) by years 3 &amp; 4 with new coaches they were in the NC mix.</p>
<p>Another question to ponder, has CW had what you mught call a &#8220;landmark victory&#8221; since he arrived at ND?  Again, not trying to flame, I really would like some input on this.</p>
<p>A few things in summary:</p>
<p>1. Wow, I must be really bored at work.<br />
2. I think CW is a good coach but shouldn&#8217;t ND have a great coach?  Does he have the potential to be great, I&#8217;m not sure but domer and biscuit seem to think so.<br />
3. At what point do the small worries you have about CW become serious concerns?<br />
4. Do you really, honestly believe that ND is &#8220;closing the gap&#8221; with USC?</p>
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		<title>By: Go IRSH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Go IRSH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I left a comment on Domer MQ&#039;s post and will just add that the Bisquit is correct.  This was one of those what if 1 or 2 plays turn out differently games.  We hung in there and could have won, but played poorly enough to lose.  And the ForeverFaust types will never back JC, even if he gets a haircut, does Missionary work, and wins a NC.  As a matter of fact, JC is way ahead of Quinn at this point in their respective careers.  Look forward.  I was at ND during the Faust years.  You don&#039;t want that desparation.  If you want to live in the past, then think of this years team as comparable to Lou&#039;s 1987 squad.  I don&#039;t see a 23 game win streak forthcoming, but I see November being exciting in 2009 and 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left a comment on Domer MQ&#8217;s post and will just add that the Bisquit is correct.  This was one of those what if 1 or 2 plays turn out differently games.  We hung in there and could have won, but played poorly enough to lose.  And the ForeverFaust types will never back JC, even if he gets a haircut, does Missionary work, and wins a NC.  As a matter of fact, JC is way ahead of Quinn at this point in their respective careers.  Look forward.  I was at ND during the Faust years.  You don&#8217;t want that desparation.  If you want to live in the past, then think of this years team as comparable to Lou&#8217;s 1987 squad.  I don&#8217;t see a 23 game win streak forthcoming, but I see November being exciting in 2009 and 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not the only one with a little perspective on the issue. I&#039;m tired of hearing the middle school-eqsue arguments being thrown around the message boards.

Here&#039;s my take (with props to this excellent post, of course): http://starsandslights.blogspot.com/2008/09/fan-or-fanatic-which-are-you.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not the only one with a little perspective on the issue. I&#8217;m tired of hearing the middle school-eqsue arguments being thrown around the message boards.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my take (with props to this excellent post, of course): <a href="http://starsandslights.blogspot.com/2008/09/fan-or-fanatic-which-are-you.html" rel="nofollow">http://starsandslights.blogspot.com/2008/09/fan-or-fanatic-which-are-you.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: domer.mq</title>
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		<dc:creator>domer.mq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DTK, yeah.

Jim, what DTK is talking about is the technique where OL pairs work in tandem to first double a defensive lineman and then, depending on the point of attack and the flow of the defense, one of the pair leaves the initial double and flows up to the linebacker.
It&#039;s a really tough technique with a ton of payoff if it works.  Because when it&#039;s working, from the POV of the linebackers, it looks and feels like a wave of humanity overcoming you.  But the trick is the OL, usually the guards, have to have the timing down so they block on the double just enough to sort of serve up the DL to their pair and then get to the LB.  Meanwhile, in most run plays with this technique, the RB is just going with the flow, looking for a hole.  And that means the point of attack could move at any moment, depending on how the RB decides to cut.  I think the RBs generally are told to only make one cut and then get down field, but good luck getting a 20 year old who thinks he&#039;s a god to only make one cut.
I&#039;m fine with the scheme if you&#039;re going to be that sort of team, but I don&#039;t like the ND body type for it.  Our right side of the line is MASSIVE.  Massive and slow.  I don&#039;t like that in combination with zone blocking.  Much rather see the Bronco style of OL or, frankly, the Pats style of OL when Weis was with them.  And that&#039;s what confuses me the most about having it at ND.  Weis recruited massive guys and had them bulk up.  It&#039;s not like he doesn&#039;t know the prototype for the zone attack.  It&#039;s pretty curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DTK, yeah.</p>
<p>Jim, what DTK is talking about is the technique where OL pairs work in tandem to first double a defensive lineman and then, depending on the point of attack and the flow of the defense, one of the pair leaves the initial double and flows up to the linebacker.<br />
It&#8217;s a really tough technique with a ton of payoff if it works.  Because when it&#8217;s working, from the POV of the linebackers, it looks and feels like a wave of humanity overcoming you.  But the trick is the OL, usually the guards, have to have the timing down so they block on the double just enough to sort of serve up the DL to their pair and then get to the LB.  Meanwhile, in most run plays with this technique, the RB is just going with the flow, looking for a hole.  And that means the point of attack could move at any moment, depending on how the RB decides to cut.  I think the RBs generally are told to only make one cut and then get down field, but good luck getting a 20 year old who thinks he&#8217;s a god to only make one cut.<br />
I&#8217;m fine with the scheme if you&#8217;re going to be that sort of team, but I don&#8217;t like the ND body type for it.  Our right side of the line is MASSIVE.  Massive and slow.  I don&#8217;t like that in combination with zone blocking.  Much rather see the Bronco style of OL or, frankly, the Pats style of OL when Weis was with them.  And that&#8217;s what confuses me the most about having it at ND.  Weis recruited massive guys and had them bulk up.  It&#8217;s not like he doesn&#8217;t know the prototype for the zone attack.  It&#8217;s pretty curious.</p>
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		<title>By: DeepTeaKup</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeepTeaKup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>domre, I would generally agree with you that pass blocking is more technique than run blocking.  However, I have seen ND trying to run more stretch plays this year, those type of blocking assignments are hard to implement.  Scoop (it may be called reach also) blocking is something you usually only see the pros (think Colts or Broncos) run, it&#039;s basically what UM tried to to the last 2-3 years under LC.  It did two things, killed OL recruiting and reduced the effectiveness of all runners except Mike Hart.  

Honestly, if I were an ND fan (and if I were I would still find a way to be internet enemies with Biscuit) it raise a huge red flag for me to see so much zone blocking in the running game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>domre, I would generally agree with you that pass blocking is more technique than run blocking.  However, I have seen ND trying to run more stretch plays this year, those type of blocking assignments are hard to implement.  Scoop (it may be called reach also) blocking is something you usually only see the pros (think Colts or Broncos) run, it&#8217;s basically what UM tried to to the last 2-3 years under LC.  It did two things, killed OL recruiting and reduced the effectiveness of all runners except Mike Hart.  </p>
<p>Honestly, if I were an ND fan (and if I were I would still find a way to be internet enemies with Biscuit) it raise a huge red flag for me to see so much zone blocking in the running game.</p>
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		<title>By: domer.mq</title>
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		<dc:creator>domer.mq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

I think pass blocking is a much more difficult technical skill over run blocking.  No matter what, with run blocking, it pretty much comes down to attitude and confidence first, technique second.  What I mean is, if it&#039;s a matter of a guard against a defensive tackle, the winner will be sorted out by attitude and confidence in what they&#039;re doing first.  If both are equal, THEN whoever uses the best technique wins.

In pass blocking, it&#039;s almost all technique.  A lot of people watch a game and see pass blockers take a step back out of their stance when the ball is snapped, and they think it must be a very passive thing, but that step back is essentially allowing the blocker to get into a good position and rev up in order to deliver the necessary blow to block the pass rusher since the rules don&#039;t allow pass blockers to take a step beyond the line of scrimmage.  If you&#039;re not plenty aggressive in pass blocking, your gonna get your ass run over by those big guys looking to eat the QB.
But pass blocking is also much more like olympic wrestling or judo than rush blocking.  You end up having to adjust what you do based on what the defense is doing.  You set up, and depending on the pass rush, you might ride a guy off out of the play, or try to take a guy down to get him out of the passing lanes.  
Speaking of which, a lot of people don&#039;t realize that at this level, the OL is responsible for passing lanes.  They&#039;re trying to create gaps in the big line of bodies between the QB and the receivers so the QB can see his target.  You see it done with success much more in the NFL, but they&#039;re certainly trying to do it in college as well.  The OL is generally made up of the smartest guys on the team, and there&#039;s a reason for it.  It&#039;s really, really tough to know your position, know where the QB should be at all times, and know how you should try to move a defender on a pass play based on that blitzes or stunts they&#039;re running, what the QB should be doing, and where the receivers should be.
Again, that&#039;s also why I think run blocking is easier from a technique standpoint.  There&#039;s usually one point of attack.  The point of attack doesn&#039;t usually move during the play.  And if all else fails, generally, you hit the first guy you see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>I think pass blocking is a much more difficult technical skill over run blocking.  No matter what, with run blocking, it pretty much comes down to attitude and confidence first, technique second.  What I mean is, if it&#8217;s a matter of a guard against a defensive tackle, the winner will be sorted out by attitude and confidence in what they&#8217;re doing first.  If both are equal, THEN whoever uses the best technique wins.</p>
<p>In pass blocking, it&#8217;s almost all technique.  A lot of people watch a game and see pass blockers take a step back out of their stance when the ball is snapped, and they think it must be a very passive thing, but that step back is essentially allowing the blocker to get into a good position and rev up in order to deliver the necessary blow to block the pass rusher since the rules don&#8217;t allow pass blockers to take a step beyond the line of scrimmage.  If you&#8217;re not plenty aggressive in pass blocking, your gonna get your ass run over by those big guys looking to eat the QB.<br />
But pass blocking is also much more like olympic wrestling or judo than rush blocking.  You end up having to adjust what you do based on what the defense is doing.  You set up, and depending on the pass rush, you might ride a guy off out of the play, or try to take a guy down to get him out of the passing lanes.<br />
Speaking of which, a lot of people don&#8217;t realize that at this level, the OL is responsible for passing lanes.  They&#8217;re trying to create gaps in the big line of bodies between the QB and the receivers so the QB can see his target.  You see it done with success much more in the NFL, but they&#8217;re certainly trying to do it in college as well.  The OL is generally made up of the smartest guys on the team, and there&#8217;s a reason for it.  It&#8217;s really, really tough to know your position, know where the QB should be at all times, and know how you should try to move a defender on a pass play based on that blitzes or stunts they&#8217;re running, what the QB should be doing, and where the receivers should be.<br />
Again, that&#8217;s also why I think run blocking is easier from a technique standpoint.  There&#8217;s usually one point of attack.  The point of attack doesn&#8217;t usually move during the play.  And if all else fails, generally, you hit the first guy you see.</p>
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