Comments on: On being Brian Hamilton, Eating Cake, and Whimpers http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/ Just a few guys loving the same woman and talking Irish Football. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:50:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: BJGator http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68318 BJGator Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:16:33 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68318 The trouble is that this is what "news" means now. Gone are the days of simple reporting: who, what, where, when, why. Audiences (and similarly, advertisers) want expert opinions (which, despite all attempts to disguise it, are still opinions), extrapolations, and all sorts of explorations into the potential (and quite unknown) future. Where who, what, where, when, or why are not known, such information is derived from the judgment of the writer. And this is what reporting has become: a competition to see who can "fill in the blanks" most accurately. You have to be on the cutting edge of news to get ahead, and you can't do this by reporting simple facts anymore. You can't fault Hamilton for this, because he is completely in line with what has become the status quo. El Kabong did a brilliant job of pinpointing where the blame lies. Newspapers are driven not by some sense of duty to their audience, but are instead under a great deal of pressure to turn a profit, journalistic responsibility be damned. The trouble is that this is what “news” means now. Gone are the days of simple reporting: who, what, where, when, why. Audiences (and similarly, advertisers) want expert opinions (which, despite all attempts to disguise it, are still opinions), extrapolations, and all sorts of explorations into the potential (and quite unknown) future. Where who, what, where, when, or why are not known, such information is derived from the judgment of the writer. And this is what reporting has become: a competition to see who can “fill in the blanks” most accurately. You have to be on the cutting edge of news to get ahead, and you can’t do this by reporting simple facts anymore. You can’t fault Hamilton for this, because he is completely in line with what has become the status quo. El Kabong did a brilliant job of pinpointing where the blame lies. Newspapers are driven not by some sense of duty to their audience, but are instead under a great deal of pressure to turn a profit, journalistic responsibility be damned.

]]> By: The Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68307 The Biscuit Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:17:42 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68307 And dont forget, ND is better than Northwestern at football, and better academically than Purdue. So where does that put us? And dont forget, ND is better than Northwestern at football, and better academically than Purdue. So where does that put us?

]]> By: domer.mq http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68266 domer.mq Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:54:08 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68266 Ah, perrier, the always cogent "my team beat your team last time they played" argument. Your ability to develop a thought is remarkable. Ah, perrier, the always cogent “my team beat your team last time they played” argument.

Your ability to develop a thought is remarkable.

]]> By: The Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68253 The Biscuit Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:25:43 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68253 Yes, they're getting closer every day. My point (and I think MQ's) is that if they want to be considered a news source (and not just a blog) then they need to prevent that from happening and report actual news, and in an accurate way. And that pics of college kids doing whatever was NOT considered news 3 years ago, and shouldnt be now. Blog fodder? Yes. But not news. If the Trib wants to be a blog, great. They can go for it. But they can't say they're a news source anymore, and they should at least be as responsible as any random blog in the way they report... Yes, they’re getting closer every day. My point (and I think MQ’s) is that if they want to be considered a news source (and not just a blog) then they need to prevent that from happening and report actual news, and in an accurate way. And that pics of college kids doing whatever was NOT considered news 3 years ago, and shouldnt be now. Blog fodder? Yes. But not news. If the Trib wants to be a blog, great. They can go for it. But they can’t say they’re a news source anymore, and they should at least be as responsible as any random blog in the way they report…

]]> By: DeepTeaKup http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68252 DeepTeaKup Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:10:42 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68252 Biscuit, They're getting closer every day, can you really say that the times is an objective news source? Journalism, as we used to know it is dead, people will now get their new with their chosen filter (lib, conservative) already applied. Biscuit,

They’re getting closer every day, can you really say that the times is an objective news source? Journalism, as we used to know it is dead, people will now get their new with their chosen filter (lib, conservative) already applied.

]]> By: The Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68246 The Biscuit Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:23:43 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68246 Perrier, are you telling us that what TMZ.com does and what the NY Times does is the same? Perrier, are you telling us that what TMZ.com does and what the NY Times does is the same?

]]> By: perrier http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68243 perrier Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:05:18 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68243 There is a large majority of trib readers who dont have access to blogs 24/7. He was doing them a service. Your whole notion of what makes news "news" is silly. As always you strike back at your target by making fun of where they went to school. Well Northwestern is a better school than ND by all accounts, and Purdue beat you in football last year. Cheers. There is a large majority of trib readers who dont have access to blogs 24/7. He was doing them a service. Your whole notion of what makes news “news” is silly. As always you strike back at your target by making fun of where they went to school. Well Northwestern is a better school than ND by all accounts, and Purdue beat you in football last year. Cheers.

]]> By: domer.mq http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68239 domer.mq Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:19:09 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68239 perrier, I'm not surprised you lack the ability to get the concept of "news." I'm also not surprised you lack the critical reading skills to understand what my beef actually is. Hamilton didn't do his job. He doesn't do his job on a regular basis. perrier,
I’m not surprised you lack the ability to get the concept of “news.” I’m also not surprised you lack the critical reading skills to understand what my beef actually is.
Hamilton didn’t do his job. He doesn’t do his job on a regular basis.

]]> By: perrier http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68236 perrier Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:38:04 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68236 You can rationalize his drinking exploits all you want, but this story is news worthy because he is the QB at ND (which the Tribune covers extensively) who was just caught with alcohol for a second time. Just because a blog broke the story doesnt mean Tribune cant cover it. If you havent noticed the internet has changed the way news spreads, so its only natural newspapers like the Trib pick up such a story. I understand that you are trying to protect your best interest ( the success of ND football and its student athletes), but its sad to see that you have to stoop so low as to criticize a writer who is just doing his job to cover one of Chciago's favorite teams. You can rationalize his drinking exploits all you want, but this story is news worthy because he is the QB at ND (which the Tribune covers extensively) who was just caught with alcohol for a second time. Just because a blog broke the story doesnt mean Tribune cant cover it. If you havent noticed the internet has changed the way news spreads, so its only natural newspapers like the Trib pick up such a story. I understand that you are trying to protect your best interest ( the success of ND football and its student athletes), but its sad to see that you have to stoop so low as to criticize a writer who is just doing his job to cover one of Chciago’s favorite teams.

]]> By: matt http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68220 matt Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:15:13 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/08/06/on-being-brian-hamilton-eating-cake-and-whimpers/#comment-68220 Looks like professional reporting left the Trib along with editor Ann Marie Lipinski. Looks like professional reporting left the Trib along with editor Ann Marie Lipinski.

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