Comments on: What Does It Mean To Be “Competitive?” http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/11/19/what-does-it-mean-to-be-competitive/ The Worst Thing To Ever Happen To ND Football Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:42:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: 10 Must Do List for 2008!!!! - Notre Dame Football Discussion | Fighting Irish Forum http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/11/19/what-does-it-mean-to-be-competitive/comment-page-1/#comment-35051 10 Must Do List for 2008!!!! - Notre Dame Football Discussion | Fighting Irish Forum Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:29:48 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/11/19/what-does-it-mean-to-be-competitive/#comment-35051 [...] Lou never got slaughtered like we are making a regular habit of. … is not true: Her Loyal Sons » What Does It Mean To Be “Competitive?”. Holtz lost his fair share of games by 2 TD+ margins. __________________ http://www.irishenvy.com/irishroundup [...]

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]]> By: Colonialhead http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/11/19/what-does-it-mean-to-be-competitive/comment-page-1/#comment-34166 Colonialhead Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:52:16 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/11/19/what-does-it-mean-to-be-competitive/#comment-34166 Outstanding!! Thanks for taking the time to put that together. Very telling. Keep up the great work. Outstanding!!
Thanks for taking the time to put that together. Very telling.
Keep up the great work.

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]]> By: The Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/11/19/what-does-it-mean-to-be-competitive/comment-page-1/#comment-34104 The Biscuit Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:42:40 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/11/19/what-does-it-mean-to-be-competitive/#comment-34104 I agree with you John. And much more so than what a lot of people post on these so-called 'good' boards where you have to kiss someone's @$$ to be allowed to say what you think (MQ's lips must be chapped by now, bc he can post anywhere in the internets he wants). "Acceptable" is completely subjective, as are 'close losses', so it's tough to come up with measures that anyone would agree on - as MQ so eloquently and statistically pointed out in this post. I just want improvement - meaning better football. Of course, I don't want to lose - but I figure that will take care of itself if we just play better. (the weaker schedule will help too). I also find the entire concept of "acceptable" to be a bit high-and-mighty. It really doesn't freaking matter what I, you, MQ or anyone else on any board thinks is acceptable, as tough as it would be for some people on those boards to swallow. The vast majority of the actual ND Nation could care less about those opinions (which is all they are) - meaning the 99.9% of fans that don't read or post on those boards, and especially the coaches, players and ND Admin. I agree with you John. And much more so than what a lot of people post on these so-called ‘good’ boards where you have to kiss someone’s @$$ to be allowed to say what you think (MQ’s lips must be chapped by now, bc he can post anywhere in the internets he wants). “Acceptable” is completely subjective, as are ‘close losses’, so it’s tough to come up with measures that anyone would agree on – as MQ so eloquently and statistically pointed out in this post. I just want improvement – meaning better football. Of course, I don’t want to lose – but I figure that will take care of itself if we just play better. (the weaker schedule will help too).
I also find the entire concept of “acceptable” to be a bit high-and-mighty. It really doesn’t freaking matter what I, you, MQ or anyone else on any board thinks is acceptable, as tough as it would be for some people on those boards to swallow. The vast majority of the actual ND Nation could care less about those opinions (which is all they are) – meaning the 99.9% of fans that don’t read or post on those boards, and especially the coaches, players and ND Admin.

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]]> By: John http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/11/19/what-does-it-mean-to-be-competitive/comment-page-1/#comment-34097 John Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:12:57 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/11/19/what-does-it-mean-to-be-competitive/#comment-34097 Nice post. I definitely think it's a mistake to measure "competitiveness" just in terms of the scoring margin. Moreover, this post clearly shows what's wrong with people demanding "no more 20+ point losses," and the like. At the same time, though, it's not as if the claim that this team's awfulness goes beyond its record is unreasonable. What we need to look for next year is some serious IMPROVEMENT: even if it's not borne out with 7-9 wins (or whatever) or very few two-TD losses (or whatever), it's hardly unreasonable to say that there is a relevant kind of "competitive" (not to mention consistent) play which this year's team very often hasn't achieved. Nice post. I definitely think it’s a mistake to measure “competitiveness” just in terms of the scoring margin. Moreover, this post clearly shows what’s wrong with people demanding “no more 20+ point losses,” and the like.

At the same time, though, it’s not as if the claim that this team’s awfulness goes beyond its record is unreasonable. What we need to look for next year is some serious IMPROVEMENT: even if it’s not borne out with 7-9 wins (or whatever) or very few two-TD losses (or whatever), it’s hardly unreasonable to say that there is a relevant kind of “competitive” (not to mention consistent) play which this year’s team very often hasn’t achieved.

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