Comments on: ESPN’s Ombudsman Responds to TheBigLead.com Attack http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/ Just a few guys loving the same woman and talking Irish Football. Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:22:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: The Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10803 The Biscuit Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:52:26 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10803 I am going to ignore the debate at this point and just say to Trey that I agree with him on his final point: we are great. Thanks Trey! I am going to ignore the debate at this point and just say to Trey that I agree with him on his final point: we are great.

Thanks Trey!

]]> By: domer.mq http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10770 domer.mq Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:15:26 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10770 Trey, who made ESPN the cops of the media/internet world? Trey, who made ESPN the cops of the media/internet world?

]]> By: Trey http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10758 Trey Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:56:50 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10758 I was gonna not post on this again because I dont want to keep riling everyone up, but Biscuit, I think your analogy is a bit off. I would liken what happened more to a cop playing with street lights. He has the means to control the lights and one day decides to mess with the population and messes with the switches that makes one of the lights always red and the other always green. It messes up traffic for a few hours and screws up peoples plans, but they find ways around it, and in the end, no one is really hurt. Anyway, I love you guys' blog. Keep up the good work. I was gonna not post on this again because I dont want to keep riling everyone up, but Biscuit, I think your analogy is a bit off. I would liken what happened more to a cop playing with street lights. He has the means to control the lights and one day decides to mess with the population and messes with the switches that makes one of the lights always red and the other always green. It messes up traffic for a few hours and screws up peoples plans, but they find ways around it, and in the end, no one is really hurt.

Anyway, I love you guys’ blog. Keep up the good work.

]]> By: the Biscuit http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10662 the Biscuit Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:12:47 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10662 Listen, its the spirit of the thing that has sports bloggers (and many other small sites) up in arms about this. It was a huge company taking out a small one, maliciously and just to show how big it is. Ok Cowherd, not the company. And yes, in the long run The Big Lead gets lots of press, more traffic, etc. But only bc 1. These guys have the means (financially and otherwise) and 2. Bc people like us get riled up and tell the world about it. So yes, they are better off in the end. But what if they couldn't come back online (as others could not, I would bet)? And, if I rob somebody of 100 bucks and their insurance accidentally pays them more, does that make my action ok? No. And especially not if I am working for the huge national "crime company" and I mean to destroy a poor old lady on the corner (even if just meant to do so temporarily). So its wrong. And I am rambling, and a bit drunk. Now, go visit the big lead. Listen, its the spirit of the thing that has sports bloggers (and many other small sites) up in arms about this. It was a huge company taking out a small one, maliciously and just to show how big it is. Ok Cowherd, not the company.

And yes, in the long run The Big Lead gets lots of press, more traffic, etc. But only bc 1. These guys have the means (financially and otherwise) and 2. Bc people like us get riled up and tell the world about it. So yes, they are better off in the end. But what if they couldn’t come back online (as others could not, I would bet)?

And, if I rob somebody of 100 bucks and their insurance accidentally pays them more, does that make my action ok? No. And especially not if I am working for the huge national “crime company” and I mean to destroy a poor old lady on the corner (even if just meant to do so temporarily).

So its wrong. And I am rambling, and a bit drunk. Now, go visit the big lead.

]]> By: domer.mq http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10610 domer.mq Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:01:14 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10610 Sleepydad, It's all about intent. Go and either listen to Cowherd's instructions or read the various transcriptions of the incident. His intent was to take TheBigLead down. Cowherd's already appologized for it. ESPN has already made a policy against such acts. I don't understand why you and Trey continue to try to rationalize something that the offenders have already admitted was wrong. Sleepydad,

It’s all about intent. Go and either listen to Cowherd’s instructions or read the various transcriptions of the incident. His intent was to take TheBigLead down.
Cowherd’s already appologized for it. ESPN has already made a policy against such acts. I don’t understand why you and Trey continue to try to rationalize something that the offenders have already admitted was wrong.

]]> By: sleepydad http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10584 sleepydad Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:42:40 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10584 Listen... I didn't hear Cowherd's original comments.. I know he can be pretty harsh at times.. but... based on your definition of DNoS, any mention of a website, intended as publicity or otherwise, that causes a bunch of people to go to that site and which, ultimately, brings that site down temporarily, could be considered DNoS. Ever heard of the Digg effect? Are you saying those guys need to get some lawyers? Because their site is responsible for bringing different sites down on a daily basis. Listen… I didn’t hear Cowherd’s original comments.. I know he can be pretty harsh at times.. but…
based on your definition of DNoS, any mention of a website, intended as publicity or otherwise, that causes a bunch of people to go to that site and which, ultimately, brings that site down temporarily, could be considered DNoS.

Ever heard of the Digg effect?
Are you saying those guys need to get some lawyers? Because their site is responsible for bringing different sites down on a daily basis.

]]> By: domer.mq http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10423 domer.mq Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:23:52 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10423 Trey, That's just the point - No. You can't. If your site goes down b/c of the DNS Attack, you don't get any revenue from ads that nobody can see. If Cowherd just wanted to bring up a site's name to drive traffic there, he should have not had them all hit the server at once (to take it down). Any decent server could handle a name drop. Besides that, The Big Lead was hosted on shared servers. Those servers actually went down and took other sites with them - sites that garner zero publicity because of this attack. The internet isn't a bunch of tubes in a truck, Trey. Trey,

That’s just the point - No. You can’t. If your site goes down b/c of the DNS Attack, you don’t get any revenue from ads that nobody can see. If Cowherd just wanted to bring up a site’s name to drive traffic there, he should have not had them all hit the server at once (to take it down). Any decent server could handle a name drop.

Besides that, The Big Lead was hosted on shared servers. Those servers actually went down and took other sites with them - sites that garner zero publicity because of this attack.

The internet isn’t a bunch of tubes in a truck, Trey.

]]> By: Trey http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10421 Trey Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:27:32 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10421 Yeah, but if you were selling ads on this site, you could cash in on traffic numbers because of it. Yeah, but if you were selling ads on this site, you could cash in on traffic numbers because of it.

]]> By: domer.mq http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10420 domer.mq Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:17:08 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10420 If HLS got mentioned on ESPN, we'd probably think it was cool. If HLS got hit with a DENIAL OF SERVICE ATTACK because of some idiot at ESPN, we'd think it very uncool. If HLS got mentioned on ESPN, we’d probably think it was cool. If HLS got hit with a DENIAL OF SERVICE ATTACK because of some idiot at ESPN, we’d think it very uncool.

]]> By: sleepydad http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10419 sleepydad Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:00:37 +0000 http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2007/04/08/espns-ombudsman-responds-to-thebigleadcom-attack/#comment-10419 Update: Cowherd this morning, at the tail end of his show a few minutes ago, said something to this effect: "Last week I made some remarks about a particular website. Shouldn't have said it; ill-conceived and I didn't mean anything against the guys who run the site." He didn't mention the site... All I got to wonder is.. how many other bloggers would LOVE to get a mention on ESPN? Update: Cowherd this morning, at the tail end of his show a few minutes ago, said something to this effect: “Last week I made some remarks about a particular website. Shouldn’t have said it; ill-conceived and I didn’t mean anything against the guys who run the site.”
He didn’t mention the site…

All I got to wonder is.. how many other bloggers would LOVE to get a mention on ESPN?

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